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Attributes | |
ACN | 971984 |
Time | |
Date | 201109 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Saab 340 Undifferentiated |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Inflight Event / Encounter Unstabilized Approach |
Narrative:
During descent into the terminal area; it became clear to the first officer and I that our descent and our vectors would not result in a stabilized ILS approach. While on this frequency; I could hear a student air traffic controller working several other aircraft in the area and I could hear an air traffic controller supervisor step in several times with corrections and 'disregard' messages to aircraft. After being cleared for the approach; too high and too close to the airport; and sent over to the tower frequency; the first officer and I initiated a missed approach procedure before descending much farther. Once back on the approach frequency; we were vectored back around the radar pattern by the same student controller. Upon the final dogleg vector; the first officer and I discussed that this vector also did not look good; but there was a chance we could fly a stable approach. After the glide slope came alive and descended through our altitude with the localizer needle still pegged at the wall; the first officer directed another missed approach procedure. Upon declaring the second missed approach with approach control; the supervisor controller apologized and we were vectored around one more time. I asked approach control for an extended downwind leg to allow for a stabilized final approach. After these extended vectors; a stabilized approach was flown to an uneventful landing. I was perturbed by this event; because I knew that a controller was being trained during our approach. However I expected to hear the supervisor that I had heard step in with other aircraft; step in to ensure that our flight was able to comply with ATC instructions and still fly a safe and stabilized approach. Once this did not happen the first time; I expected to hear the supervisor's voice during the second approach. When this did not happen and a second missed approach resulted out of those poor vectors for the second time; it was clear that the supervisor's decision was not in the best interest of the safety of our flight. This main decision put controller training as a priority over safety. As a result; the task load on crew members increased; our fuel diminished; and our safety margin eroded. Had the third set of clearances not resulted in a stabilized approach; the first officer and I would have diverted to our alternate.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Saab 340 flight crew experienced two missed approaches due to less than adequate vector and altitude assignments; the reporter indicating training was being conducted.
Narrative: During descent into the terminal area; it became clear to the First Officer and I that our descent and our vectors would not result in a stabilized ILS approach. While on this frequency; I could hear a student Air Traffic Controller working several other aircraft in the area and I could hear an Air Traffic Controller Supervisor step in several times with corrections and 'disregard' messages to aircraft. After being cleared for the approach; too high and too close to the airport; and sent over to the Tower frequency; the First Officer and I initiated a missed approach procedure before descending much farther. Once back on the Approach frequency; we were vectored back around the RADAR pattern by the same student Controller. Upon the final dogleg vector; the First Officer and I discussed that this vector also did not look good; but there was a chance we could fly a stable approach. After the glide slope came alive and descended through our altitude with the localizer needle still pegged at the wall; the First Officer directed another missed approach procedure. Upon declaring the second missed approach with Approach Control; the Supervisor Controller apologized and we were vectored around one more time. I asked Approach Control for an extended downwind leg to allow for a stabilized final approach. After these extended vectors; a stabilized approach was flown to an uneventful landing. I was perturbed by this event; because I knew that a Controller was being trained during our approach. However I expected to hear the Supervisor that I had heard step in with other aircraft; step in to ensure that our flight was able to comply with ATC instructions and still fly a safe and stabilized approach. Once this did not happen the first time; I expected to hear the Supervisor's voice during the second approach. When this did not happen and a second missed approach resulted out of those poor vectors for the second time; it was clear that the Supervisor's decision was not in the best interest of the safety of our flight. This main decision put Controller training as a priority over safety. As a result; the task load on crew members increased; our fuel diminished; and our safety margin eroded. Had the third set of clearances not resulted in a stabilized approach; the First Officer and I would have diverted to our alternate.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.