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IFR departure from clt questioned ATC's apparent confusion regarding routing and ATC's comments regarding the timing out of their flight plan.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 973987 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201110 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | CLT.Airport |
| State Reference | NC |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Citation II S2/Bravo (C550) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
| Route In Use | SID HORNET 6 MERIL |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 140 Flight Crew Total 6200 Flight Crew Type 75 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
We were given take off clearance on runway 36R; hornet 6 meril transition SID. Take off clearance changed the altitude from 8;000 to 4;000 MSL. Through 2;000 ft contacted departure and were given heading of 090. The controller then said direct meril. Then the controller ask if were RNAV capable. We replied we were. The controller changed our SID from hornet 6 meril transition to meril 5 direct lills. I ask direct meril? The supervisor controller replied 'he gave us meril 5 direct lills. You said you were capable of the RNAV. Your flight plan has timed out.' we replied we are direct lills. This happened at low altitude all within 3 minutes and not expecting a new SID. Confusion over the new SID; direct meril then direct lills; and our flight plan timed out. How can an aircraft be given a SID on an IFR flight plan and cleared for take off and then be told our flight plan timed out after take off? Changing SID without prior warning caused the confusion on our part which caused extra communication with the controller trying to clarify instructions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR departure from CLT questioned ATC's apparent confusion regarding routing and ATC's comments regarding the timing out of their flight plan.
Narrative: We were given take off clearance on Runway 36R; Hornet 6 Meril transition SID. Take off clearance changed the altitude from 8;000 to 4;000 MSL. Through 2;000 FT contacted Departure and were given heading of 090. The Controller then said direct Meril. Then the Controller ask if were RNAV capable. We replied we were. The Controller changed our SID from Hornet 6 Meril transition to Meril 5 direct LILLS. I ask direct MERIL? The Supervisor Controller replied 'he gave us Meril 5 direct LILLS. You said you were capable of the RNAV. Your flight plan has timed out.' We replied we are direct LILLS. This happened at low altitude all within 3 minutes and not expecting a new SID. Confusion over the new SID; direct MERIL then direct LILLS; and our flight plan timed out. How can an aircraft be given a SID on an IFR flight plan and cleared for take off and then be told our flight plan timed out after take off? Changing SID without prior warning caused the confusion on our part which caused extra communication with the controller trying to clarify instructions.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.