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Attributes | |
ACN | 97401 |
Time | |
Date | 198811 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pae |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2800 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zse |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zse |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 97401 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | unspecified : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ZSE controller issued pilot notification to me because IFR sep was not maintained and quality assurance alarm went off in control room. On an IFR training flight, my student and I were experiencing moderate turbulence when the controller descended us from 4000' to 3000' to begin approach. We proceeded direct to the IAF to begin approach there we experienced a severe downdraft we lost 200' and broke IFR sep because their was a plane below us. At the time of this incident a non convective SIGMET name alpha 2 was in effect for moderate to occasionally severe turbulence from the surface to 12000' for wa and or and coastal waters. Me acting as PIC should not be held responsible for this act. 1) I was in the capacity as flight instrument and did not have hands on when the incident occurred. 2) due to the SIGMET that was in effect at the time the downdraft we experienced is an act of nature and no matter how good the pilot is, the same circumstance the same result there is only one possible solution I can think of that would have avoided this incident. With the given WX conditions SIGMET alpha 2 in effect for turbulence, why did the controller descend us from 4000 to 3000' giving us a 1000' sep between another aircraft when she could have held us at 4000' and avoided this whole thing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA HIT TURBULENCE ENROUTE TO IAF FOR APCH AND HAD LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION WITH ANOTHER ACFT ON APCH.
Narrative: ZSE CTLR ISSUED PLT NOTIFICATION TO ME BECAUSE IFR SEP WAS NOT MAINTAINED AND QUALITY ASSURANCE ALARM WENT OFF IN CONTROL ROOM. ON AN IFR TRNING FLT, MY STUDENT AND I WERE EXPERIENCING MODERATE TURB WHEN THE CTLR DSNDED US FROM 4000' TO 3000' TO BEGIN APCH. WE PROCEEDED DIRECT TO THE IAF TO BEGIN APCH THERE WE EXPERIENCED A SEVERE DOWNDRAFT WE LOST 200' AND BROKE IFR SEP BECAUSE THEIR WAS A PLANE BELOW US. AT THE TIME OF THIS INCIDENT A NON CONVECTIVE SIGMET NAME ALPHA 2 WAS IN EFFECT FOR MODERATE TO OCCASIONALLY SEVERE TURB FROM THE SURFACE TO 12000' FOR WA AND OR AND COASTAL WATERS. ME ACTING AS PIC SHOULD NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ACT. 1) I WAS IN THE CAPACITY AS FLT INSTR AND DID NOT HAVE HANDS ON WHEN THE INCIDENT OCCURRED. 2) DUE TO THE SIGMET THAT WAS IN EFFECT AT THE TIME THE DOWNDRAFT WE EXPERIENCED IS AN ACT OF NATURE AND NO MATTER HOW GOOD THE PLT IS, THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCE THE SAME RESULT THERE IS ONLY ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION I CAN THINK OF THAT WOULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS INCIDENT. WITH THE GIVEN WX CONDITIONS SIGMET ALPHA 2 IN EFFECT FOR TURB, WHY DID THE CTLR DSND US FROM 4000 TO 3000' GIVING US A 1000' SEP BTWN ANOTHER ACFT WHEN SHE COULD HAVE HELD US AT 4000' AND AVOIDED THIS WHOLE THING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.