Close proximity cpr-mdt air carrier-widebody transport on approach to runways 25 at lax.

Attributes
ACN	97965
Time
Date	198811
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : visual enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : straight in
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 94 flight time total : 13450 flight time type : 920
ASRS Report	97965
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 400 vertical : 300
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

After being handed off to lax approach we were told to follow a widebody transport, descend and slow down. When crossing the smo VOR we were given a heading, a further descent and a speed reduction. We were then given a right turn cleared for a visual approach runway 25L. The distance and altitude from the airport required power to idle with flaps extended. I also elected to use the speed brakes causing a normal warning horn to sound. We were then asked if we had the medium large transport in sight on a short final, after a short time the first officer found the traffic and we were told to follow that traffic. In accomplishing this I turned in front of the widebody transport on final 25R. Before turning I saw the widebody transport a little lower and in hindsight too close. We overshot the runway to give a little room to the widebody transport. After landing local control informed us we were to follow the widebody transport. In conclusion factors affecting this poor judgement were a busy controller, a warning horn sounding all the time, not questioning a clearance and a desire to get the boss there on time.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CLOSE PROX CPR-MDT ACR-WDB ON APCH TO RWYS 25 AT LAX.

Narrative: AFTER BEING HANDED OFF TO LAX APCH WE WERE TOLD TO FOLLOW A WDB, DSND AND SLOW DOWN. WHEN XING THE SMO VOR WE WERE GIVEN A HDG, A FURTHER DSCNT AND A SPD REDUCTION. WE WERE THEN GIVEN A RIGHT TURN CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH RWY 25L. THE DISTANCE AND ALT FROM THE ARPT REQUIRED PWR TO IDLE WITH FLAPS EXTENDED. I ALSO ELECTED TO USE THE SPD BRAKES CAUSING A NORMAL WARNING HORN TO SOUND. WE WERE THEN ASKED IF WE HAD THE MLG IN SIGHT ON A SHORT FINAL, AFTER A SHORT TIME THE F/O FOUND THE TFC AND WE WERE TOLD TO FOLLOW THAT TFC. IN ACCOMPLISHING THIS I TURNED IN FRONT OF THE WDB ON FINAL 25R. BEFORE TURNING I SAW THE WDB A LITTLE LOWER AND IN HINDSIGHT TOO CLOSE. WE OVERSHOT THE RWY TO GIVE A LITTLE ROOM TO THE WDB. AFTER LNDG LCL CTL INFORMED US WE WERE TO FOLLOW THE WDB. IN CONCLUSION FACTORS AFFECTING THIS POOR JUDGEMENT WERE A BUSY CTLR, A WARNING HORN SOUNDING ALL THE TIME, NOT QUESTIONING A CLRNC AND A DESIRE TO GET THE BOSS THERE ON TIME.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.