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Air carrier-large transport flight crew upset by the close proximity of air carrier-medium large transport while both aircraft were on visual approachs to parallel runways.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 98379 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198811 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 98379 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Base leg on visual to runway 25L at lax. Given a heading of 150 degrees and cleared to 4000'. Told us to follow an small transport low. When on base medium large transport Y passed over us at approximately 500'. He stated that medium large transport Y had visibility on us. I was looking at medium large transport Y close on us and the sunlight was such that it appeared it was not moving or actually seemed to be flying formation with us. Approach did not point out medium large transport Y till we were very close. Although we were at least 500' vertical from medium large transport Y, he was not pointed out to us. He tended to distract us from our obligation of making a visibility to 25. Had approach informed us of medium large transport Y earlier and gave us his altitude, we would not have been distracted observing him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR-LGT FLT CREW UPSET BY THE CLOSE PROX OF ACR-MLG WHILE BOTH ACFT WERE ON VISUAL APCHS TO PARALLEL RWYS.
Narrative: BASE LEG ON VISUAL TO RWY 25L AT LAX. GIVEN A HDG OF 150 DEGS AND CLRED TO 4000'. TOLD US TO FOLLOW AN SMT LOW. WHEN ON BASE MLG Y PASSED OVER US AT APPROX 500'. HE STATED THAT MLG Y HAD VIS ON US. I WAS LOOKING AT MLG Y CLOSE ON US AND THE SUNLIGHT WAS SUCH THAT IT APPEARED IT WAS NOT MOVING OR ACTUALLY SEEMED TO BE FLYING FORMATION WITH US. APCH DID NOT POINT OUT MLG Y TILL WE WERE VERY CLOSE. ALTHOUGH WE WERE AT LEAST 500' VERT FROM MLG Y, HE WAS NOT POINTED OUT TO US. HE TENDED TO DISTRACT US FROM OUR OBLIGATION OF MAKING A VIS TO 25. HAD APCH INFORMED US OF MLG Y EARLIER AND GAVE US HIS ALT, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DISTRACTED OBSERVING HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.