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Attributes | |
ACN | 985090 |
Time | |
Date | 201112 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SFO.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B777-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Local |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
A B777 advised in on frequency; traffic off of their left was passing when they were told they would stay behind. I asked the B777 to advise intentions. They said they were good if I was. I advised maintain visual separation from the traffic and they acknowledged. The A319 checked in advised 'for what it's worth' they were told each were maintaining visual separation; no mention of not passing. The B777 said; 'that is just what I was told.' I advised that they were on separate frequencies and that I would report the occurrence. This is a convoluted issue and there is way too much ambiguity amongst the participants. We know that aircraft have gone around because of not only TCAS RA's; but also because they did not want to pass or be passed on final. At some point there needs to be a repair to this process; I just don't know how it will be accomplished or who entirely it will involve. I suggest a meeting in a relaxed atmosphere with controllers and management from nct and sfo and pilots from the companies as a starting point to get all of the issues on the table collectively. Once the points are known; start focusing on a long term solution based on the feed back received.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SFO Controller described a confused passing situation during visual side-by operations to Runway's 28; suggesting increased communications between all the participants is needed to clarify procedures.
Narrative: A B777 advised in on frequency; traffic off of their left was passing when they were told they would stay behind. I asked the B777 to advise intentions. They said they were good if I was. I advised maintain visual separation from the traffic and they acknowledged. The A319 checked in advised 'for what it's worth' they were told each were maintaining visual separation; no mention of not passing. The B777 said; 'That is just what I was told.' I advised that they were on separate frequencies and that I would report the occurrence. This is a convoluted issue and there is way too much ambiguity amongst the participants. We know that aircraft have gone around because of not only TCAS RA's; but also because they did not want to pass or be passed on final. At some point there needs to be a repair to this process; I just don't know how it will be accomplished or who entirely it will involve. I suggest a meeting in a relaxed atmosphere with controllers and management from NCT and SFO and pilots from the companies as a starting point to get all of the issues on the table collectively. Once the points are known; start focusing on a long term solution based on the feed back received.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.