GA small aircraft unauthorized penetration of airspace.

Attributes
ACN	98557
Time
Date	198811
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : sna
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 3500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sna
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : direct
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 194 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 2
ASRS Report	98557
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

While departing sna VFR and outside of the arsa and approximately 15 mi southeast we proceeded direct to oceanside VOR. ATC advises us to call them when we landed at crq palomar airport. ATC said we went through the extended portion of the el toro arsa. I was using an IFR area chart (lax) that did not show the extension. It does however show the normal arsa. The student I was checking out had tried to buy a VFR area chart of lax without success. He did find one at crq. It was the last one they had. My feeling is: any extension of an arsa should show on an IFR area chart as well as on a VFR chart. Many people with instrument ratings navigate with IFR charts, even though they fly VFR.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: GA SMA UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE.

Narrative: WHILE DEPARTING SNA VFR AND OUTSIDE OF THE ARSA AND APPROX 15 MI SE WE PROCEEDED DIRECT TO OCEANSIDE VOR. ATC ADVISES US TO CALL THEM WHEN WE LANDED AT CRQ PALOMAR ARPT. ATC SAID WE WENT THROUGH THE EXTENDED PORTION OF THE EL TORO ARSA. I WAS USING AN IFR AREA CHART (LAX) THAT DID NOT SHOW THE EXTENSION. IT DOES HOWEVER SHOW THE NORMAL ARSA. THE STUDENT I WAS CHECKING OUT HAD TRIED TO BUY A VFR AREA CHART OF LAX WITHOUT SUCCESS. HE DID FIND ONE AT CRQ. IT WAS THE LAST ONE THEY HAD. MY FEELING IS: ANY EXTENSION OF AN ARSA SHOULD SHOW ON AN IFR AREA CHART AS WELL AS ON A VFR CHART. MANY PEOPLE WITH INSTRUMENT RATINGS NAVIGATE WITH IFR CHARTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY FLY VFR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.