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Attributes | |
ACN | 99856 |
Time | |
Date | 198812 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lgb |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1600 msl bound upper : 1600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 3200 |
ASRS Report | 99856 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Coast approach routinely vectors and descends heavy jet traffic to 1600' MSL out over the water, 1-3 mi from the shoreline, and places them on a heading of 010 degrees to 330 degrees to intercept the localizer for runway 30 ILS approach to long beach. The intercept is about 3 NM outside the marker (bella). There is continuous itinerant traffic along the shoreline at all altitudes, mainly around 2000' as it is uncontrolled airspace. There is a high probability for a mid air because coast doesn't report all the traffic and the pilots can't see all they should. I personally have been at 1600' squawking 1200 with mode C, listening on the appropriate frequency 124.65 MHZ and had to take action to avoid an medium large transport. At no time did coast approach point us out as traffic. I have called the supervisor at coast TRACON and was advised to write a letter to an FAA FSDO office. The whole situation is stupid and dangerous. There is no reason that traffic cannot be descended to 3000' to intercept farther out. Coast does this for traffic inbound from the desert and all heavy jet traffic inbound to orange county is kept at 3000' until base leg if it's a visual to runway 19R at sna or 4000, then 3000' for the ILS. I will be happy to participate in establishing corrective action. I urge something be done. Creating an arsa or TCA is not the answer in case anyone has the usual ideas.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR TRAFFIC INTO LGB VECTORED TO INTERCEPT THE 30 LOCALIZER AT 1600' CAUSING POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH GA ACFT OPERATING ALONG THE SHORELINE AT 2000'.
Narrative: COAST APCH ROUTINELY VECTORS AND DESCENDS HVY JET TFC TO 1600' MSL OUT OVER THE WATER, 1-3 MI FROM THE SHORELINE, AND PLACES THEM ON A HDG OF 010 DEGS TO 330 DEGS TO INTERCEPT THE LOC FOR RWY 30 ILS APCH TO LONG BEACH. THE INTERCEPT IS ABOUT 3 NM OUTSIDE THE MARKER (BELLA). THERE IS CONTINUOUS ITINERANT TFC ALONG THE SHORELINE AT ALL ALTS, MAINLY AROUND 2000' AS IT IS UNCONTROLLED AIRSPACE. THERE IS A HIGH PROBABILITY FOR A MID AIR BECAUSE COAST DOESN'T RPT ALL THE TFC AND THE PLTS CAN'T SEE ALL THEY SHOULD. I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN AT 1600' SQUAWKING 1200 WITH MODE C, LISTENING ON THE APPROPRIATE FREQ 124.65 MHZ AND HAD TO TAKE ACTION TO AVOID AN MLG. AT NO TIME DID COAST APCH POINT US OUT AS TFC. I HAVE CALLED THE SUPVR AT COAST TRACON AND WAS ADVISED TO WRITE A LETTER TO AN FAA FSDO OFFICE. THE WHOLE SITUATION IS STUPID AND DANGEROUS. THERE IS NO REASON THAT TFC CANNOT BE DSNDED TO 3000' TO INTERCEPT FARTHER OUT. COAST DOES THIS FOR TFC INBND FROM THE DESERT AND ALL HEAVY JET TFC INBND TO ORANGE COUNTY IS KEPT AT 3000' UNTIL BASE LEG IF IT'S A VISUAL TO RWY 19R AT SNA OR 4000, THEN 3000' FOR THE ILS. I WILL BE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN ESTABLISHING CORRECTIVE ACTION. I URGE SOMETHING BE DONE. CREATING AN ARSA OR TCA IS NOT THE ANSWER IN CASE ANYONE HAS THE USUAL IDEAS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.