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Attributes | |
ACN | 103630 |
Time | |
Date | 198901 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pgs |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 28800 msl bound upper : 28800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 310 |
ASRS Report | 103630 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 115 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 115 |
ASRS Report | 103465 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
While cruising at FL350 ZAB advised us to descend to 31000' (ZLA request, landing las). After starting a slow descent he told us to continue down to FL280 and we acknowledged. At approximately 28800' he told us to do an immediate 360 degree turn due to conflicting traffic. The controller got upset and asked if we understood the clearance. We did and read it back as such. We have no idea how far the traffic was. We had maintained the same rate of descent down for 6000' and felt this should give the controller a good enough trend. If he wanted a faster rate, all he had to do was say so. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter said that he established a 1000 FPM descent when clearance received. He said that he thought ZLA wanted him at 28000' before entering ZLA airspace, but that this had not been explained to him by ZAB controller. He said that other aircraft seemed to be having trouble with the controller and that he thought the controller had a 'personality problem.' he does not think any conflict occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARTCC CTLR WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH ACFT'S RATE OF DESCENT.
Narrative: WHILE CRUISING AT FL350 ZAB ADVISED US TO DSND TO 31000' (ZLA REQUEST, LNDG LAS). AFTER STARTING A SLOW DSCNT HE TOLD US TO CONTINUE DOWN TO FL280 AND WE ACKNOWLEDGED. AT APPROX 28800' HE TOLD US TO DO AN IMMEDIATE 360 DEG TURN DUE TO CONFLICTING TFC. THE CTLR GOT UPSET AND ASKED IF WE UNDERSTOOD THE CLRNC. WE DID AND READ IT BACK AS SUCH. WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW FAR THE TFC WAS. WE HAD MAINTAINED THE SAME RATE OF DSCNT DOWN FOR 6000' AND FELT THIS SHOULD GIVE THE CTLR A GOOD ENOUGH TREND. IF HE WANTED A FASTER RATE, ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS SAY SO. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPTR SAID THAT HE ESTABLISHED A 1000 FPM DSCNT WHEN CLRNC RECEIVED. HE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT ZLA WANTED HIM AT 28000' BEFORE ENTERING ZLA AIRSPACE, BUT THAT THIS HAD NOT BEEN EXPLAINED TO HIM BY ZAB CTLR. HE SAID THAT OTHER ACFT SEEMED TO BE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE CTLR AND THAT HE THOUGHT THE CTLR HAD A 'PERSONALITY PROBLEM.' HE DOES NOT THINK ANY CONFLICT OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.