Flight crew given less than legal rest on a layover.

Attributes
ACN	105931
Time
Date	198903
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : buf airport : bfu
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	105931
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight attendant : on duty
Qualification	other other : other
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Crew agreed together to be off duty at XX30 so we would be legal with 10:15 rest to work next day and next night have also a 10:15 break. In 3/89 one F/a decided she did not have enough rest since we were not told to go to the hotel till XX52 pm. I should have started crew rest at XX52 and added 9:15. Next time I hope to do it right. Also crew scheduling should have known themselves that we would not be legal till XX52 plus 9:15. This was my second captain trip and I am now aware that I must be responsible to determine own crew rest. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: incident took place in buf and reporter flies an medium large transport. The point of the report was that when the crew was given less than 10:15 rest the first night, they were to be compensated by getting 11:15 rest the second night. This was not done. The first night's rest, though short, was legal.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLT CREW GIVEN LESS THAN LEGAL REST ON A LAYOVER.

Narrative: CREW AGREED TOGETHER TO BE OFF DUTY AT XX30 SO WE WOULD BE LEGAL WITH 10:15 REST TO WORK NEXT DAY AND NEXT NIGHT HAVE ALSO A 10:15 BREAK. IN 3/89 ONE F/A DECIDED SHE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH REST SINCE WE WERE NOT TOLD TO GO TO THE HOTEL TILL XX52 PM. I SHOULD HAVE STARTED CREW REST AT XX52 AND ADDED 9:15. NEXT TIME I HOPE TO DO IT RIGHT. ALSO CREW SCHEDULING SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THEMSELVES THAT WE WOULD NOT BE LEGAL TILL XX52 PLUS 9:15. THIS WAS MY SECOND CAPT TRIP AND I AM NOW AWARE THAT I MUST BE RESPONSIBLE TO DETERMINE OWN CREW REST. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: INCIDENT TOOK PLACE IN BUF AND RPTR FLIES AN MLG. THE POINT OF THE RPT WAS THAT WHEN THE CREW WAS GIVEN LESS THAN 10:15 REST THE FIRST NIGHT, THEY WERE TO BE COMPENSATED BY GETTING 11:15 REST THE SECOND NIGHT. THIS WAS NOT DONE. THE FIRST NIGHT'S REST, THOUGH SHORT, WAS LEGAL.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.