Over 200 KTS in air traffic area.

Attributes
ACN	108503
Time
Date	198904
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ont
State Reference	CA
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ont
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 6700
ASRS Report	108503
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : exited penetrated airspace
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Our company takeoff profile appears to authorize us to exceed 200 KTS in air traffic area. Almost everyone I fly with does this. I believe we are not supposed to do this. I wish the FAA would clarify this. Also on the most modern aircraft the autoplt when put in maximum climb mode starts to pull power off and level aircraft approaching altitude so when ATC says expedite climb the aircraft doesn't really follow instructions. I know the answer is to make aircraft do what you want it to, but the way pilots are being trained now this does not occur. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter stated that many pilots that he had flown with misinterpret the far re: speed rules in an air traffic area. After discussion it was affirmed that we agreed on the interpretation of the applicable ruling. Other pilots will be programmed.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: OVER 200 KTS IN ATA.

Narrative: OUR COMPANY TKOF PROFILE APPEARS TO AUTHORIZE US TO EXCEED 200 KTS IN ATA. ALMOST EVERYONE I FLY WITH DOES THIS. I BELIEVE WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THIS. I WISH THE FAA WOULD CLARIFY THIS. ALSO ON THE MOST MODERN ACFT THE AUTOPLT WHEN PUT IN MAX CLB MODE STARTS TO PULL PWR OFF AND LEVEL ACFT APCHING ALT SO WHEN ATC SAYS EXPEDITE CLB THE ACFT DOESN'T REALLY FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS. I KNOW THE ANSWER IS TO MAKE ACFT DO WHAT YOU WANT IT TO, BUT THE WAY PLTS ARE BEING TRAINED NOW THIS DOES NOT OCCUR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPTR STATED THAT MANY PLTS THAT HE HAD FLOWN WITH MISINTERPRET THE FAR RE: SPD RULES IN AN ATA. AFTER DISCUSSION IT WAS AFFIRMED THAT WE AGREED ON THE INTERP OF THE APPLICABLE RULING. OTHER PLTS WILL BE PROGRAMMED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.