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Attributes | |
ACN | 111836 |
Time | |
Date | 198905 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 111836 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Msp tower facility persists in using dual frequencys (126.7-123.95) with one controller during non-peak periods. This situation has existed for some time, and on one occasion caused confusion with similar flight numbers almost causing a runway incursion. Pilots must remain in the entire communication loop in the TCA environment, and this split tower frequency policy is unsafe and contrary to the inclusion of flight crews in the whole operation. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: during taxi recently, tower controller confused our flight with another and we would have taken the runway in error had we not double checked the flight numbers with the tower controller. The alternate tower frequency is not chart published but is given on ATIS. I can accept split airport operation and north/south tower frequencys but one controller handling both frequencys causes confusion.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: REPORTER OBJECTS TO DUAL TWR FREQS AT MSP BOTH OPERATED BY SINGLE CTLR DURING SLACK HOURS.
Narrative: MSP TWR FACILITY PERSISTS IN USING DUAL FREQS (126.7-123.95) WITH ONE CTLR DURING NON-PEAK PERIODS. THIS SITUATION HAS EXISTED FOR SOME TIME, AND ON ONE OCCASION CAUSED CONFUSION WITH SIMILAR FLT NUMBERS ALMOST CAUSING A RWY INCURSION. PLTS MUST REMAIN IN THE ENTIRE COM LOOP IN THE TCA ENVIRONMENT, AND THIS SPLIT TWR FREQ POLICY IS UNSAFE AND CONTRARY TO THE INCLUSION OF FLT CREWS IN THE WHOLE OPERATION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: DURING TAXI RECENTLY, TWR CTLR CONFUSED OUR FLT WITH ANOTHER AND WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE RWY IN ERROR HAD WE NOT DOUBLE CHECKED THE FLT NUMBERS WITH THE TWR CTLR. THE ALTERNATE TWR FREQ IS NOT CHART PUBLISHED BUT IS GIVEN ON ATIS. I CAN ACCEPT SPLIT ARPT OPERATION AND N/S TWR FREQS BUT ONE CTLR HANDLING BOTH FREQS CAUSES CONFUSION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.