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Attributes | |
ACN | 112968 |
Time | |
Date | 198906 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : aml |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17450 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 112968 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Departing dca on radar vectors from ZDC in large transport cleared to climb to 17,000. Using center cmd autoplt, and VNAV climb mode, heading mode, and automatic throttles. Autoplt did not capture level off. Copilot disconnected autoplt and manually descended to 17,000. Overshoot was 450'. I expected autoplt to level us and was too slow to react when it didn't. The large transport FMC climbs the plane at 2000 FPM the last 1000' and only lowers the nose the final 200' of climb. This is much too high a vertical speed. Why doesn't (manufacturer) program climb at 500 FPM the last 1000'? We could have leveled off quicker if we had been willing to push over more rapidly and experience negative G's. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: the reporter states that he was unsure why the event happened. He states that he is relatively new on the equipment and is somewhat uncomfortable with certain aspects of its operation. He states that the altitude constraint was entered while in VNAV climb and is not sure if the aircraft would have stopped climb or not but when it appeared to be a problem the first officer properly disconnected the autoplt and accomplished the level off manually. The reporter states that he is not particularly happy with the training he received on this aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT CLIMBED THROUGH CLEARED ALT. NO APPARENT CONFLICT.
Narrative: DEPARTING DCA ON RADAR VECTORS FROM ZDC IN LGT CLRED TO CLIMB TO 17,000. USING CENTER CMD AUTOPLT, AND VNAV CLIMB MODE, HDG MODE, AND AUTO THROTTLES. AUTOPLT DID NOT CAPTURE LEVEL OFF. COPLT DISCONNECTED AUTOPLT AND MANUALLY DESCENDED TO 17,000. OVERSHOOT WAS 450'. I EXPECTED AUTOPLT TO LEVEL US AND WAS TOO SLOW TO REACT WHEN IT DIDN'T. THE LGT FMC CLIMBS THE PLANE AT 2000 FPM THE LAST 1000' AND ONLY LOWERS THE NOSE THE FINAL 200' OF CLIMB. THIS IS MUCH TOO HIGH A VERTICAL SPEED. WHY DOESN'T (MANUFACTURER) PROGRAM CLIMB AT 500 FPM THE LAST 1000'? WE COULD HAVE LEVELED OFF QUICKER IF WE HAD BEEN WILLING TO PUSH OVER MORE RAPIDLY AND EXPERIENCE NEGATIVE G'S. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THE REPORTER STATES THAT HE WAS UNSURE WHY THE EVENT HAPPENED. HE STATES THAT HE IS RELATIVELY NEW ON THE EQUIPMENT AND IS SOMEWHAT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH CERTAIN ASPECTS OF ITS OPERATION. HE STATES THAT THE ALT CONSTRAINT WAS ENTERED WHILE IN VNAV CLIMB AND IS NOT SURE IF THE ACFT WOULD HAVE STOPPED CLIMB OR NOT BUT WHEN IT APPEARED TO BE A PROBLEM THE F/O PROPERLY DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND ACCOMPLISHED THE LEVEL OFF MANUALLY. THE REPORTER STATES THAT HE IS NOT PARTICULARLY HAPPY WITH THE TRAINING HE RECEIVED ON THIS ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.