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Attributes | |
ACN | 115341 |
Time | |
Date | 198906 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
ASRS Report | 115341 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was working local control having just signed on for the midnight watch. Runway 4R was closed and we were landing runway 4L, departing runway 11 and runway 4L. Arrival traffic was about 5-6 mi in trail and I had 6-8 departures ready ready to go: 3 at runway 4L and 3 at runway 11. Traffic at the time of the occurrence was light transport Y on 3 mi final. A large transport rolling out on runway 4L, and an large transport on an 8 mi final to runway 4L. My plan was to depart air carrier X after the light transport Y. Landed but before the next arrival. I advised air carrier X to prepare for departure when light transport Y was at the 1 mi mark on the BRITE. Air carrier X rogered 'I'll be ready.' I watched light transport Y come up on the approach lights, waited a moment and then told air carrier X to taxi into position and hold. Air carrier X responded, 'I think we'll wait until this guy lands.' now I believe I used anticipated sep properly as there was no way air carrier X could have crossed the hold line before light transport Y was well past, but somehow air carrier X saw it differently.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR WAS INSTRUCTED TO TAXI INTO POSITION AND HOLD BEHIND A LNDG LTT. ACR REFUSED CLRNC UNTIL AFTER LTT LANDED.
Narrative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
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.