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Attributes | |
ACN | 1158724 |
Time | |
Date | 201403 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | OKC.TRACON |
State Reference | OK |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Eclipse 500 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | STAR FINGR4 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Component | |
Aircraft Component | FMS/FMC |
Person 1 | |
Function | Single Pilot Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 75 Flight Crew Total 5000 Flight Crew Type 700 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Aircraft Equipment Problem Less Severe Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Filed out en route to destination. Clearance delivery assigned 'vectors; on departure climb and maintain 5;000 ft; 17;000 ft in ten; on departure fly heading 010; etc....' I read back filed route. Upon being handed off to approach; and given vectors; I was told to fly direct to krmsn. I told ATC not on flight planned route. After some vectors; I was told it was on the arrival. I searched the naco approach plate and after some searching found krmsn fix. Clutter on arrival plate seemed to worsen situation. Also; I believe that the fact that the EA50 FMS inability to add arrivals without transition might have complicated situation. In an effort to add certain transitions; this leads pilots to add transitions that are not going to be flown in an effort to shorten the list of way points. For example; if filing fingr.FINGR4 the shortest transition is byp.FINGR4; so adding that to a filed fingr.FINGR4 adds the least amount of fixes to FMS. During flight; it is up to the pilots to remember to sequence the FMS (this is not the case in systems such as the G1000). That was entered into the FMS and might have led to believe it was near fingr. I believe that if clearance delivery was intending to give me the irw.FINGR4 as the transition (that is where krmsn is located) they should have stated in the initial clearance: 'cleared via the FINGR4; irw transition....'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An EA50 pilot had difficulty entering the KRMSN waypoint in the FMS because it was on the FINGR 4 Arrival IRW transition; which was not on his route of flight and the FMS design did not allow an arrival without a transition.
Narrative: Filed out en route to destination. Clearance Delivery assigned 'vectors; on departure climb and maintain 5;000 FT; 17;000 FT in ten; on departure fly heading 010; etc....' I read back filed route. Upon being handed off to approach; and given vectors; I was told to fly direct to KRMSN. I told ATC not on flight planned route. After some vectors; I was told it was on the arrival. I searched the NACO approach plate and after some searching found KRMSN fix. Clutter on arrival plate seemed to worsen situation. Also; I believe that the fact that the EA50 FMS inability to add arrivals without transition might have complicated situation. In an effort to add certain transitions; this leads pilots to add transitions that are not going to be flown in an effort to shorten the list of way points. For example; if filing FINGR.FINGR4 the shortest transition is BYP.FINGR4; so adding that to a filed FINGR.FINGR4 adds the least amount of fixes to FMS. During flight; it is up to the pilots to remember to sequence the FMS (this is not the case in systems such as the G1000). That was entered into the FMS and might have led to believe it was near FINGR. I believe that if Clearance Delivery was intending to give me the IRW.FINGR4 as the transition (that is where KRMSN is located) they should have stated in the initial clearance: 'Cleared via the FINGR4; IRW transition....'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.