Instructor and student on cross-country flight penetrate arsa.

Attributes
ACN	117666
Time
Date	198907
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : fnt
State Reference	MI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : fnt
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1050 flight time type : 20
ASRS Report	117666
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : student
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

The problem arose when the airplane got ahead of the student and the airplane was already in the arsa. Instructing the student and giving him time to figure out his navigation and communications was too much. Rather than paying more attention to the airplane's position and progress, I got the airplane too far ahead; I should have taken over earlier. A contributing factor was also the poor visibility. When we finally called ATC we were already in the arsa. At our speed it took 2.8 mins to travel 5 mi from the outside of the arsa. The real cause is the CFI not being sufficiently alert.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT ON CROSS-COUNTRY FLT PENETRATE ARSA.

Narrative: THE PROB AROSE WHEN THE AIRPLANE GOT AHEAD OF THE STUDENT AND THE AIRPLANE WAS ALREADY IN THE ARSA. INSTRUCTING THE STUDENT AND GIVING HIM TIME TO FIGURE OUT HIS NAV AND COMS WAS TOO MUCH. RATHER THAN PAYING MORE ATTN TO THE AIRPLANE'S POS AND PROGRESS, I GOT THE AIRPLANE TOO FAR AHEAD; I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN OVER EARLIER. A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS ALSO THE POOR VISIBILITY. WHEN WE FINALLY CALLED ATC WE WERE ALREADY IN THE ARSA. AT OUR SPD IT TOOK 2.8 MINS TO TRAVEL 5 MI FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE ARSA. THE REAL CAUSE IS THE CFI NOT BEING SUFFICIENTLY ALERT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.