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Attributes | |
ACN | 1193507 |
Time | |
Date | 201408 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | TOA.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | DA40 Diamond Star |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying Single Pilot |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Private Flight Crew Sea |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 25 Flight Crew Total 568 Flight Crew Type 513 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
I was receiving vectors to final for an ILS approach. Approach clearance call was something like: 'fly a heading of 250 to intercept the localizer. Cleared ILS 29R circle to land 11L. Maintain 2;000 ft until established on the localizer.' no mention was given to intercepting the glideslope; or being established on the ILS. Conditions at that point were visual except for a small cloud between me and the airport. Upon intercepting the localizer (laterally); and being in visual conditions; my thinking was that I was cleared to descend at my discretion since no mention was made to intercepting the glideslope. I assumed that the controller was aware I was in visual conditions; and I had always previously been cleared for an ILS approach with wording such as; 'maintain 2;000 ft until intercepting glideslope'; or 'maintain 2;000 ft until established on the ILS'. After a brief descent; controller asked me to state my altitude; which at that time was 1;800 ft. He told me entry to the approach was at 2;000 ft. I affirmed back that I was correcting; and climbed back up to 2;000; at which point I was then a bit above the glideslope. This then caused a more rapid attempt to correct back to glideslope; with a brief overshoot; prompting a low altitude warning from the controller. This was also rapidly corrected; at which point the controller handed me over to tower.confusion arose due to the language of; 'maintain 2;000 ft until established on the localizer'. While I know that I was cleared for the ILS; which means maintain the glideslope; during that process-intensive phase of flight; I just jumped to assume he meant established on the localizer to mean just that-laterally on the localizer (as the localizer provides no vertical guidance). A more precise phraseology; such as; 'maintain 2;000 ft until established on the ILS'; or 'maintain 2;000 ft until established on the localizer and intercepting glideslope' would be more intuitive and prevent such erroneous thinking.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DA40 pilot reports being confused when cleared for the ILS and to maintain 2;000 FT until established in VMC and starts descending before glideslope intercept.
Narrative: I was receiving vectors to final for an ILS approach. Approach clearance call was something like: 'Fly a heading of 250 to intercept the localizer. Cleared ILS 29R circle to land 11L. Maintain 2;000 FT until established on the localizer.' No mention was given to intercepting the glideslope; or being established on the ILS. Conditions at that point were visual except for a small cloud between me and the airport. Upon intercepting the localizer (laterally); and being in visual conditions; my thinking was that I was cleared to descend at my discretion since no mention was made to intercepting the glideslope. I assumed that the Controller was aware I was in visual conditions; and I had always previously been cleared for an ILS approach with wording such as; 'Maintain 2;000 FT until intercepting glideslope'; or 'Maintain 2;000 FT until established on the ILS'. After a brief descent; Controller asked me to state my altitude; which at that time was 1;800 FT. He told me entry to the approach was at 2;000 FT. I affirmed back that I was correcting; and climbed back up to 2;000; at which point I was then a bit above the glideslope. This then caused a more rapid attempt to correct back to glideslope; with a brief overshoot; prompting a low altitude warning from the Controller. This was also rapidly corrected; at which point the Controller handed me over to Tower.Confusion arose due to the language of; 'Maintain 2;000 FT until established on the localizer'. While I know that I was cleared for the ILS; which means maintain the glideslope; during that process-intensive phase of flight; I just jumped to assume he meant established on the localizer to mean just that-laterally on the localizer (as the localizer provides no vertical guidance). A more precise phraseology; such as; 'Maintain 2;000 FT until established on the ILS'; or 'maintain 2;000 FT until established on the localizer and intercepting glideslope' would be more intuitive and prevent such erroneous thinking.
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