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Attributes | |
ACN | 119902 |
Time | |
Date | 198908 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : emi airport : bwi |
State Reference | MD |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc tower : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 550 |
ASRS Report | 119902 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was flying the aircraft and captain working radio we both heard 'cross ruane at 10,000' 250 KTS' and captain set 10,000' in the DFGS and I began the descent. I am sure he read back 'cross ruane at 10,000 250 KTS' with no correction by the center controller. While in the descent ZDC handed us off baltimore approach and the bwi controller said 'are you level at 10,000'' to which we replied affirmative. The bwi controller told us the center controller said he cleared us to 11,000'. Then the bwi controller cleared us to 8000' and no more was said about the incident, so hopefully there will be no violation and apparently there was no traffic conflict! One factor I would like to bring out is that this captain said he was new to the aircraft and at times appeared to be unsure of the DFGS operation. He did, however, have extensive medium large transport experience and was competent, but this situation increased my workload by having to 'watch out for two' ie, making sure he programmed the DFGS correctly and accomplished all his required duties, as well as accomplishing my own. This was also complicated by his attitude and apparent dissatisfaction with association, mergers, and new contract.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG ALT DEVIATION OVERSHOT DURING DESCENT.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING THE ACFT AND CAPT WORKING RADIO WE BOTH HEARD 'CROSS RUANE AT 10,000' 250 KTS' AND CAPT SET 10,000' IN THE DFGS AND I BEGAN THE DSCNT. I AM SURE HE READ BACK 'CROSS RUANE AT 10,000 250 KTS' WITH NO CORRECTION BY THE CENTER CTLR. WHILE IN THE DSCNT ZDC HANDED US OFF BALTIMORE APCH AND THE BWI CTLR SAID 'ARE YOU LEVEL AT 10,000'' TO WHICH WE REPLIED AFFIRMATIVE. THE BWI CTLR TOLD US THE CENTER CTLR SAID HE CLRED US TO 11,000'. THEN THE BWI CTLR CLRED US TO 8000' AND NO MORE WAS SAID ABOUT THE INCIDENT, SO HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE NO VIOLATION AND APPARENTLY THERE WAS NO TFC CONFLICT! ONE FACTOR I WOULD LIKE TO BRING OUT IS THAT THIS CAPT SAID HE WAS NEW TO THE ACFT AND AT TIMES APPEARED TO BE UNSURE OF THE DFGS OPERATION. HE DID, HOWEVER, HAVE EXTENSIVE MLG EXPERIENCE AND WAS COMPETENT, BUT THIS SITUATION INCREASED MY WORKLOAD BY HAVING TO 'WATCH OUT FOR TWO' IE, MAKING SURE HE PROGRAMMED THE DFGS CORRECTLY AND ACCOMPLISHED ALL HIS REQUIRED DUTIES, AS WELL AS ACCOMPLISHING MY OWN. THIS WAS ALSO COMPLICATED BY HIS ATTITUDE AND APPARENT DISSATISFACTION WITH ASSOCIATION, MERGERS, AND NEW CONTRACT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.