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First officer reporting states the 339 degree radial off flm does not intersect the cvg 27 localizer at jodur intersection.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 121230 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198908 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : cvg |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cvg |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 6000 |
| ASRS Report | 121230 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
Jodur intersection on 27L ILS at cvg defined as 1) OM, 2) 339 degree right off flm VOR as it intersects to localizer. OM beacon station passage did not occur until passing the 330 degree right of flm. This has happened previously in other aircraft on visibility approachs. Hazardous and unacceptable on a non precision approach (G/south was unusable). Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: the tower called us to tell us we were low on the approach. Afternoon visibility was hazy, into the sun. I think we had started down on a non precision approach at block, thinking it was jodur. When the tower called with the low alarm and I had time to check the right off flm, it looked like 330 degrees to me. Actually the reason I sent in the ASRS report was because the tower gave us the below minimums call. G/south was out; I think the fan marker was out. We did not yet have the field in sight. Jodur intersection used to be off cincinnati and they recently changed it to flm, which is about 30 mi away.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO REPORTING STATES THE 339 DEGREE RADIAL OFF FLM DOES NOT INTERSECT THE CVG 27 LOCALIZER AT JODUR INTERSECTION.
Narrative: JODUR INTXN ON 27L ILS AT CVG DEFINED AS 1) OM, 2) 339 DEG R OFF FLM VOR AS IT INTERSECTS TO LOC. OM BEACON STATION PASSAGE DID NOT OCCUR UNTIL PASSING THE 330 DEG R OF FLM. THIS HAS HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY IN OTHER ACFT ON VIS APCHS. HAZARDOUS AND UNACCEPTABLE ON A NON PRECISION APCH (G/S WAS UNUSABLE). CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THE TWR CALLED US TO TELL US WE WERE LOW ON THE APCH. AFTERNOON VISIBILITY WAS HAZY, INTO THE SUN. I THINK WE HAD STARTED DOWN ON A NON PRECISION APCH AT BLOCK, THINKING IT WAS JODUR. WHEN THE TWR CALLED WITH THE LOW ALARM AND I HAD TIME TO CHK THE R OFF FLM, IT LOOKED LIKE 330 DEGS TO ME. ACTUALLY THE REASON I SENT IN THE ASRS RPT WAS BECAUSE THE TWR GAVE US THE BELOW MINIMUMS CALL. G/S WAS OUT; I THINK THE FAN MARKER WAS OUT. WE DID NOT YET HAVE THE FIELD IN SIGHT. JODUR INTXN USED TO BE OFF CINCINNATI AND THEY RECENTLY CHANGED IT TO FLM, WHICH IS ABOUT 30 MI AWAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.