Narrative:

Captain flying. Received clearance to cross 20 east (other side) of janesville at 10,000'. He started down late but could have made it with speed brakes and good descent. I had been working with this captain all month and he often needed some prodding to get things done but at the same time would get upset if I was too forceful in my encouragement. Going through about 18,000' I mentioned that it was going to be close and he finally pulled the speed brake. We were doing about 350 KTS when he pulled the brake and we needed to maintain that speed to make the restriction but for some reason he slowed down and we crossed our point about 800' high. As we go sailing by, he turns to me and says '800', not too bad'. I would have been flabergasted at this attitude but in 5 yrs of airline flying, this is about the 3RD captain that seemed to be under the impression that these restrictions are an approximate rather than hard restriction. I possibly could have been more forceful in my insistence that we were not going to make it. I feel though, after flying with the captain all month, that he would have ignored me to show he was captain. In spite of the new cockpit resource management courses (which our airline has not yet instituted), I think there are always going to be the guys with the big egos or whatever that don't take suggestions well that will continue to make the copilot's job interesting.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CROSSING RESTRICTION NOT MADE AS PIC SLOW TO RESPOND TO APPARENT INABILITY TO MAKE ALT AS REQUIRED. FO'S PROMPTING IS IGNORED TO A GREAT DEGREE, MUCH TO THE FO'S VOICED CONCERN.

Narrative: CAPT FLYING. RECEIVED CLRNC TO CROSS 20 E (OTHER SIDE) OF JANESVILLE AT 10,000'. HE STARTED DOWN LATE BUT COULD HAVE MADE IT WITH SPEED BRAKES AND GOOD DSCNT. I HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THIS CAPT ALL MONTH AND HE OFTEN NEEDED SOME PRODDING TO GET THINGS DONE BUT AT THE SAME TIME WOULD GET UPSET IF I WAS TOO FORCEFUL IN MY ENCOURAGEMENT. GOING THROUGH ABOUT 18,000' I MENTIONED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE CLOSE AND HE FINALLY PULLED THE SPEED BRAKE. WE WERE DOING ABOUT 350 KTS WHEN HE PULLED THE BRAKE AND WE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THAT SPEED TO MAKE THE RESTRICTION BUT FOR SOME REASON HE SLOWED DOWN AND WE CROSSED OUR POINT ABOUT 800' HIGH. AS WE GO SAILING BY, HE TURNS TO ME AND SAYS '800', NOT TOO BAD'. I WOULD HAVE BEEN FLABERGASTED AT THIS ATTITUDE BUT IN 5 YRS OF AIRLINE FLYING, THIS IS ABOUT THE 3RD CAPT THAT SEEMED TO BE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE AN APPROXIMATE RATHER THAN HARD RESTRICTION. I POSSIBLY COULD HAVE BEEN MORE FORCEFUL IN MY INSISTENCE THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT. I FEEL THOUGH, AFTER FLYING WITH THE CAPT ALL MONTH, THAT HE WOULD HAVE IGNORED ME TO SHOW HE WAS CAPT. IN SPITE OF THE NEW COCKPIT RESOURCE MGMNT COURSES (WHICH OUR AIRLINE HAS NOT YET INSTITUTED), I THINK THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE GUYS WITH THE BIG EGOS OR WHATEVER THAT DON'T TAKE SUGGESTIONS WELL THAT WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE THE COPLT'S JOB INTERESTING.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.