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Attributes | |
ACN | 127648 |
Time | |
Date | 198911 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ood airport : phl |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 127648 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Departing phl as regular scheduled 121 operation local handed us to departure. Flying the phl 5 SID. 119.75 called level at 5000 told to proceed direct ood climb and maintain 7000. After 2 or 3 mins just about on top of the VOR, departure says expedite climb. We responded level at 7000. Departure immediately issues a descend to 6000 to another aircraft. I demanded to know where the traffic was. Departure responded 2 O'clock 2 mi 6900'. The controller forgot, had us both at 7000 pointed at ood VOR. What made me mad was that he did not, and wasn't going to, issue traffic advisory. How can we see and avoid if: a) we're solid IMC, B) not told about possible conflict, C) driven into each other by a tired/overworked or unqualified controller. We were lucky.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PHL DEP CTLR HAS OPERATIONAL ERROR WHEN 2 ACFT APCH THE OOD VOR, BOTH AT 7000'.
Narrative: DEPARTING PHL AS REGULAR SCHEDULED 121 OPERATION LOCAL HANDED US TO DEP. FLYING THE PHL 5 SID. 119.75 CALLED LEVEL AT 5000 TOLD TO PROCEED DIRECT OOD CLIMB AND MAINTAIN 7000. AFTER 2 OR 3 MINS JUST ABOUT ON TOP OF THE VOR, DEP SAYS EXPEDITE CLIMB. WE RESPONDED LEVEL AT 7000. DEP IMMEDIATELY ISSUES A DSND TO 6000 TO ANOTHER ACFT. I DEMANDED TO KNOW WHERE THE TFC WAS. DEP RESPONDED 2 O'CLOCK 2 MI 6900'. THE CTLR FORGOT, HAD US BOTH AT 7000 POINTED AT OOD VOR. WHAT MADE ME MAD WAS THAT HE DID NOT, AND WASN'T GOING TO, ISSUE TFC ADVISORY. HOW CAN WE SEE AND AVOID IF: A) WE'RE SOLID IMC, B) NOT TOLD ABOUT POSSIBLE CONFLICT, C) DRIVEN INTO EACH OTHER BY A TIRED/OVERWORKED OR UNQUALIFIED CTLR. WE WERE LUCKY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.