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Attributes | |
ACN | 1280108 |
Time | |
Date | 201507 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZNY.ARTCC |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | None |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 4 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Aircraft X is a parachute operations aircraft. This aircraft operates in the close vicinity of the lga milton four arrival in the area of beuty (fix). The request of the operator and PIC is to climb to 13500 and operate the jump ops. The lga arrivals cross beuty at 10000. This is a conflict of airspace as the jump ops and the arrivals cannot operate at the same time.ZNY has had countless conversations with the PIC and owner on the need of an agreed to letter of agreement (LOA). We have met to make this happen. Soon after the ZNY facility created a LOA based on our conversations. There has not been an agreement to date. Not because of the need to change information in the LOA but more so the vocal reluctance on [the owner] to sign and agree to a LOA. This event the issue was the PIC did not notify ATC that all the jumpers did not jump when the PIC stated jumpers away. He requested to hold at 12000 for a second. This turned into almost two minutes. At this time the lga arrivals were stuck high and multiple coordination was needed to be done based on the lack of communication about the jumpers. This area has too much volume to allow a safe operation without clear and precise communication. There are many documented times that this is an unsafe location to have this operation above 9500. Terminate operations above 9500.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZNY Controller reports of a skydiving operation in close proximity to an arrival route into LGA. Controller states aircraft pilot did not advise when all jumpers where out. The Controller reports that IFR aircraft were stopped at altitudes to keep them away from the jumpers and this made them high on the approach.
Narrative: Aircraft X is a parachute operations aircraft. This aircraft operates in the close vicinity of the LGA MILTON FOUR Arrival in the area of BEUTY (FIX). The request of the operator and PIC is to climb to 13500 and operate the jump ops. The LGA arrivals cross BEUTY at 10000. This is a conflict of airspace as the jump ops and the arrivals cannot operate at the same time.ZNY has had countless conversations with the PIC and owner on the need of an agreed to Letter of Agreement (LOA). We have met to make this happen. Soon after the ZNY Facility created a LOA based on our conversations. There has not been an agreement to date. Not because of the need to change information in the LOA but more so the vocal reluctance on [the owner] to sign and agree to a LOA. This event the issue was the PIC did not notify ATC that all the jumpers did not jump when the PIC stated jumpers away. He requested to hold at 12000 for a second. This turned into almost two minutes. At this time the LGA arrivals were stuck high and multiple coordination was needed to be done based on the lack of communication about the jumpers. This area has too much volume to allow a safe operation without clear and precise communication. There are many documented times that this is an unsafe location to have this operation above 9500. Terminate operations above 9500.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.