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Attributes | |
ACN | 1291263 |
Time | |
Date | 201508 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | NCT.TRACON |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR SERFR1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 143 Flight Crew Total 12564 Flight Crew Type 10188 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 68 Flight Crew Total 25450 Flight Crew Type 566 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
We were assigned the SERFR1 STAR into sfo and cleared to 'descend via'; we entered the bottom altitude (4;000 feet) into the FCU and started a VNAV/managed airspeed descent; we complied with all altitude and airspeed restrictions on the STAR. Approaching epick the approach controller changed the clearance to 'descend via the SERFR1; except after epick descend and maintain 6;000 feet'. We crossed epick at 10;000 feet; slowed to 250 KTS; and then pulled for open descent to comply with the clearance. Approaching eddyy we slowed down to 240 KTS to comply with crossing airspeed and continued to descend through 7;000 feet for 6;000 feet. The approach controller advised we would descent below class B airspace and would reenter in 4 miles. The floor of the class B airspace is at 8;000 feet until 3 miles before eddyy; where it changes to 6;000 feet.when the controller issued the 'descend via; except' clearance; we are required to comply with the STAR speed restrictions (240 KTS at eddyy). The clearance to descend to 6;000 feet after epick is what put the aircraft below the floor of class B airspace. This puts the speed restriction at epick and the speed restriction below class B airspace in conflict. A more appropriate clearance would be 'descend via the SERFR1; except maintain 6;000 feet. Comply with altitude and airspeed at eddyy.'the design of the SERFR1 also conflicts with class B airspeed requirements. If the aircraft is early reaching 6;000 feet; the 240 KTS airspeed at eddyy will conflict every time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An air carrier crew flying the SFO SERFR ONE RNAV STAR were cleared; prior to EPICK; to 'Descend via the SERFR ONE; except after EPICK descend and maintain 6;000.' That clearance took the aircraft below Class B at 250 knots.
Narrative: We were assigned the SERFR1 STAR into SFO and cleared to 'descend via'; we entered the bottom altitude (4;000 feet) into the FCU and started a VNAV/managed airspeed descent; we complied with all altitude and airspeed restrictions on the STAR. Approaching EPICK the approach controller changed the clearance to 'descend via the SERFR1; except after EPICK descend and maintain 6;000 feet'. We crossed EPICK at 10;000 feet; slowed to 250 KTS; and then pulled for open descent to comply with the clearance. Approaching EDDYY we slowed down to 240 KTS to comply with crossing airspeed and continued to descend through 7;000 feet for 6;000 feet. The approach controller advised we would descent below Class B airspace and would reenter in 4 miles. The floor of the Class B airspace is at 8;000 feet until 3 miles before EDDYY; where it changes to 6;000 feet.When the controller issued the 'descend via; except' clearance; we are required to comply with the STAR speed restrictions (240 KTS at EDDYY). The clearance to descend to 6;000 feet after EPICK is what put the aircraft below the floor of Class B airspace. This puts the speed restriction at EPICK and the speed restriction below Class B airspace in conflict. A more appropriate clearance would be 'descend via the SERFR1; except maintain 6;000 feet. Comply with altitude and airspeed at EDDYY.'The design of the SERFR1 also conflicts with Class B airspeed requirements. If the aircraft is early reaching 6;000 feet; the 240 KTS airspeed at EDDYY will conflict every time.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.