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Widebody transport X clears runway at lax, told to hold short of taxiway 45 on short notice, widebody transport Y passes close by on taxiway 45. Reporter is concerned that hold short clearance was issued late, and without satisfactory explanation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 130239 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198912 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 130239 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I exited runway 25R on taxiway 47. First officer contacted ground control and was told to 'hold short of 45'. I stopped the aircraft to make sure we had taxiway 45 properly located. Immediately from the right (my blind side) a widebody transport Y taxied at very high speed from 25L complex across our bow on taxiway 45 into the inner. We were holding short of 45 taxiway and no incident occurred. However, from ground contact call 'hold short of 45' I had immediately applied normal braking and stopped the widebody transport X from 7-8 KTS to a stop. We had just made two 90 degree turns. We were making sure of taxiway 45's location. Ground control gave no indication of the widebody transport Y's path, i.e., 'hold short of next intersection '45', a widebody transport Y is cleared to cross in front of you.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB X CLEARS RWY AT LAX, TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY 45 ON SHORT NOTICE, WDB Y PASSES CLOSE BY ON TXWY 45. REPORTER IS CONCERNED THAT HOLD SHORT CLRNC WAS ISSUED LATE, AND WITHOUT SATISFACTORY EXPLANATION.
Narrative: I EXITED RWY 25R ON TXWY 47. F/O CONTACTED GND CTL AND WAS TOLD TO 'HOLD SHORT OF 45'. I STOPPED THE ACFT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD TXWY 45 PROPERLY LOCATED. IMMEDIATELY FROM THE RIGHT (MY BLIND SIDE) A WDB Y TAXIED AT VERY HIGH SPEED FROM 25L COMPLEX ACROSS OUR BOW ON TXWY 45 INTO THE INNER. WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF 45 TXWY AND NO INCIDENT OCCURRED. HOWEVER, FROM GND CONTACT CALL 'HOLD SHORT OF 45' I HAD IMMEDIATELY APPLIED NORMAL BRAKING AND STOPPED THE WDB X FROM 7-8 KTS TO A STOP. WE HAD JUST MADE TWO 90 DEG TURNS. WE WERE MAKING SURE OF TXWY 45'S LOCATION. GND CTL GAVE NO INDICATION OF THE WDB Y'S PATH, I.E., 'HOLD SHORT OF NEXT INTXN '45', A WDB Y IS CLRED TO CROSS IN FRONT OF YOU.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.