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Attributes | |
ACN | 130885 |
Time | |
Date | 198912 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bae |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 28000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 7500 |
ASRS Report | 130885 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation other |
Narrative:
During climb out from milwaukee en route to oak, aircraft was cleared by ATC to FL270. I was given the altitude with a heading change, and other radio phraseology. I set in FL280 on the altitude setting. I was given another heading change and then read back 'FL280' to the controller. I added the call 'FL280' because I wasn't positive we were cleared to FL280, even though I had it set in the altitude dial. The controller did not query my call of 'FL280,' so I assumed that was our clearance. At 27700' the center asked what our altitude was. I told him '27700, climbing to FL280.' I told him I read back FL280 in our previous transmission. He told us to maintain FL280. Nothing else was said, nor do I thing there was a conflict. Lesson: if there is even the slightest question as to altitude cleared, use 'confirm' in the radio transmission; i.e., 'confirm cleared to FL280,' instead of just saying 'FL280.' confirm would probably have keyed the controller to catch the error.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT ALT DEVIATION OVERSHOT DURING CLIMB.
Narrative: DURING CLBOUT FROM MILWAUKEE ENRTE TO OAK, ACFT WAS CLRED BY ATC TO FL270. I WAS GIVEN THE ALT WITH A HDG CHANGE, AND OTHER RADIO PHRASEOLOGY. I SET IN FL280 ON THE ALT SETTING. I WAS GIVEN ANOTHER HDG CHANGE AND THEN READ BACK 'FL280' TO THE CTLR. I ADDED THE CALL 'FL280' BECAUSE I WASN'T POSITIVE WE WERE CLRED TO FL280, EVEN THOUGH I HAD IT SET IN THE ALT DIAL. THE CTLR DID NOT QUERY MY CALL OF 'FL280,' SO I ASSUMED THAT WAS OUR CLRNC. AT 27700' THE CENTER ASKED WHAT OUR ALT WAS. I TOLD HIM '27700, CLBING TO FL280.' I TOLD HIM I READ BACK FL280 IN OUR PREVIOUS XMISSION. HE TOLD US TO MAINTAIN FL280. NOTHING ELSE WAS SAID, NOR DO I THING THERE WAS A CONFLICT. LESSON: IF THERE IS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST QUESTION AS TO ALT CLRED, USE 'CONFIRM' IN THE RADIO XMISSION; I.E., 'CONFIRM CLRED TO FL280,' INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING 'FL280.' CONFIRM WOULD PROBABLY HAVE KEYED THE CTLR TO CATCH THE ERROR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.