<< >> NASA ASRS Report 130975, December 1989

Aircraft was given an altitude assignment to cross 10 miles west of bwz, which was past holding point given in prior clearance. Controller gave amended clearance and return to holding point after aircraft was observed past clearance limit.

Attributes
ACN	130975
Time
Date	198912
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : bwz
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : zny
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Heavy Transport, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other cruise other descent other
Route In Use	arrival other arrival star : star
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : second officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	130975
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

While flying a heavy transport from oak to ewr, we were given a holding clearance of hold at penns, 15000', as published, efc at pm:50 Z. Penns is a holding fix in the slate run 6 arrival. We were then given a clearance from ZNY to descend to 13000'. The controller then gave us a clearance to descend to 7000' 10 NM west of broadway VOR. During the descent the controller also said, cross penns below 10000', maintain 7000'. Later the controller asked us why we weren't at penns. The captain informed the controller that the clearance 10 west at 7 NM was inside the penns holding fix. We were then told to turn immediately to 290 degrees (right turn), maintain 7000'. We were then told to go back to penns and hold. The controller then said, 'sorry about that, you were given an erroneous clearance.' upon arrival at penns, we were then cleared direct ewr.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACFT WAS GIVEN AN ALT ASSIGNMENT TO CROSS 10 MILES WEST OF BWZ, WHICH WAS PAST HOLDING POINT GIVEN IN PRIOR CLRNC. CTLR GAVE AMENDED CLRNC AND RETURN TO HOLDING POINT AFTER ACFT WAS OBSERVED PAST CLRNC LIMIT.

Narrative: WHILE FLYING A HVT FROM OAK TO EWR, WE WERE GIVEN A HOLDING CLRNC OF HOLD AT PENNS, 15000', AS PUBLISHED, EFC AT PM:50 Z. PENNS IS A HOLDING FIX IN THE SLATE RUN 6 ARR. WE WERE THEN GIVEN A CLRNC FROM ZNY TO DSND TO 13000'. THE CTLR THEN GAVE US A CLRNC TO DSND TO 7000' 10 NM W OF BROADWAY VOR. DURING THE DSCNT THE CTLR ALSO SAID, CROSS PENNS BELOW 10000', MAINTAIN 7000'. LATER THE CTLR ASKED US WHY WE WEREN'T AT PENNS. THE CAPT INFORMED THE CTLR THAT THE CLRNC 10 W AT 7 NM WAS INSIDE THE PENNS HOLDING FIX. WE WERE THEN TOLD TO TURN IMMEDIATELY TO 290 DEGS (RIGHT TURN), MAINTAIN 7000'. WE WERE THEN TOLD TO GO BACK TO PENNS AND HOLD. THE CTLR THEN SAID, 'SORRY ABOUT THAT, YOU WERE GIVEN AN ERRONEOUS CLRNC.' UPON ARR AT PENNS, WE WERE THEN CLRED DIRECT EWR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.