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Attributes | |
ACN | 1354755 |
Time | |
Date | 201605 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZTL.ARTCC |
State Reference | GA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR PARQR1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence |
Narrative:
While deviating around weather at FL240; 'parqr fix when able;' - the atl center clears flight to descend via the parqr 1 RNAV arrival landing south. We query that we are not direct parqr. Controller re-states clearance. We decline; but say once we go direct; we can be cleared to descend via. The two following aircraft get same clearance and have the same disagreement. After the third aircraft; controller says that is how he was trained to do it. The FAA inspector riding with us; agreed with our interpretation and said; if we had left F240; it would have been considered an altitude deviation. Evidently; ATC trains controllers differently from how pilots are trained.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An air carrier flight crew deviating for weather was cleared by ZTL to Descend Via the CLT PARQR 1 but refused because the flight was off track and not flying the arrival.
Narrative: While deviating around weather at FL240; 'PARQR fix when able;' - the ATL CTR clears flight to descend via the PARQR 1 RNAV Arrival landing south. We query that we are not direct PARQR. Controller re-states clearance. We decline; but say once we go direct; we can be cleared to descend via. The two following aircraft get same clearance and have the same disagreement. After the third aircraft; controller says that is how he was trained to do it. The FAA inspector riding with us; agreed with our interpretation and said; if we had left F240; it would have been considered an altitude deviation. Evidently; ATC trains controllers differently from how pilots are trained.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.