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PA-28 instructor and student reported loss of directional control on landing roll resulting in a runway excursion.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1369446 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201607 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
| State Reference | US |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Landing |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Not Flying Instructor |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Commercial |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 150 Flight Crew Total 1000 Flight Crew Type 450 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Private |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 57 Flight Crew Total 94 Flight Crew Type 94 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Ground Event / Encounter Loss Of Aircraft Control Ground Incursion Runway |
Narrative:
Student landed the airplane. Upon rollout the airplane started drifting to the right. I told the student to fix it and put it back on centerline; but the student seemed to struggle; blaming it on the rudder being hard to move; but was fine on taxi before takeoff. I keep light pressure on the pedals so that should not have been too big of an issue. I gave the student the opportunity to fix it [since he is] a private pilot that has been flying a lot recently. It seemed that things got worse so I stabilized the airplane; but the nose was still pointed at the right side of the runway. It did not seem like a good idea to try and go around since we were so close to the edge of the runway. It also did not seem right to try and get the airplane back to the left making it unstable again; so it seemed best at the time to avoid hitting the runway lights with the propeller. So the airplane was kept stable until it was able to be turned back onto the runway safely without further incident. Some foreign students that do not drive period or do not drive often and do not have good motor skills seem to be rough on the controls or not know how to use the controls as well. I think that doing more landings during instrument training could be of benefit. I don't know if fuel imbalance of 30 minutes between switching tanks could pose any serious or adverse effects on control inputs. I also had other students that did not fly a while do the same thing; but this student has been flying almost five days a week for the past month or so.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA-28 instructor and student reported loss of directional control on landing roll resulting in a runway excursion.
Narrative: Student landed the airplane. Upon rollout the airplane started drifting to the right. I told the student to fix it and put it back on centerline; but the student seemed to struggle; blaming it on the rudder being hard to move; but was fine on taxi before takeoff. I keep light pressure on the pedals so that should not have been too big of an issue. I gave the student the opportunity to fix it [since he is] a Private Pilot that has been flying a lot recently. It seemed that things got worse so I stabilized the airplane; but the nose was still pointed at the right side of the runway. It did not seem like a good idea to try and go around since we were so close to the edge of the runway. It also did not seem right to try and get the airplane back to the left making it unstable again; so it seemed best at the time to avoid hitting the runway lights with the propeller. So the airplane was kept stable until it was able to be turned back onto the runway safely without further incident. Some foreign students that do not drive period or do not drive often and do not have good motor skills seem to be rough on the controls or not know how to use the controls as well. I think that doing more landings during instrument training could be of benefit. I don't know if fuel imbalance of 30 minutes between switching tanks could pose any serious or adverse effects on control inputs. I also had other students that did not fly a while do the same thing; but this student has been flying almost five days a week for the past month or so.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.