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Attributes | |
ACN | 139058 |
Time | |
Date | 199003 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rdu |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : gso tracon : rdu |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 139058 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 180 |
ASRS Report | 138945 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was instructed by gso to depart the VOR heading 085 degrees at 9000' for the arrival gate into rdu. After proceeding for about 30 mi, I queried gso approach about a handoff to rdu. They told us to contact rdu approach (we had not been contacted by gso approach before I queried them). Rdu responded with the fact that they had been trying to reach us for quite a while. Supplemental information from acn 138945: we called gso, who immediately sent us to the rdu frequency. Upon contact with rdu approach, the controller acted as if he had been trying to reach us. We had contacted rdu immediately after being handed off by gso. Both pilots are absolutely certain that gso had not given us to rdu prior to our initiative mentioned above. The gso frequency was not congested and we were not distracted by any flying duties, etc, and we are sure we would have heard the call. Sometimes it is difficult to guess where our arriving aircraft is going to fit into the arrival flow, so it makes it hard to know when to expect the handoff. Obviously we did not get handed off in as timely a manner as rdu approach would have liked.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GSO APCH CTLR FAILED TO CHANGE ACR X TO RDU APCH CTLR FREQ. OPERATIONAL DEVIATION.
Narrative: ACR X WAS INSTRUCTED BY GSO TO DEPART THE VOR HDG 085 DEGS AT 9000' FOR THE ARR GATE INTO RDU. AFTER PROCEEDING FOR ABOUT 30 MI, I QUERIED GSO APCH ABOUT A HDOF TO RDU. THEY TOLD US TO CONTACT RDU APCH (WE HAD NOT BEEN CONTACTED BY GSO APCH BEFORE I QUERIED THEM). RDU RESPONDED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY HAD BEEN TRYING TO REACH US FOR QUITE A WHILE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 138945: WE CALLED GSO, WHO IMMEDIATELY SENT US TO THE RDU FREQ. UPON CONTACT WITH RDU APCH, THE CTLR ACTED AS IF HE HAD BEEN TRYING TO REACH US. WE HAD CONTACTED RDU IMMEDIATELY AFTER BEING HANDED OFF BY GSO. BOTH PLTS ARE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT GSO HAD NOT GIVEN US TO RDU PRIOR TO OUR INITIATIVE MENTIONED ABOVE. THE GSO FREQ WAS NOT CONGESTED AND WE WERE NOT DISTRACTED BY ANY FLYING DUTIES, ETC, AND WE ARE SURE WE WOULD HAVE HEARD THE CALL. SOMETIMES IT IS DIFFICULT TO GUESS WHERE OUR ARRIVING ACFT IS GOING TO FIT INTO THE ARR FLOW, SO IT MAKES IT HARD TO KNOW WHEN TO EXPECT THE HDOF. OBVIOUSLY WE DID NOT GET HANDED OFF IN AS TIMELY A MANNER AS RDU APCH WOULD HAVE LIKED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.