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Close proximity air carrier medium large transport taxiing and helicopter approaching the helipad at jfk.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 139685 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199003 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Helicopter |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 139685 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 100 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Landed on 13L at jfk. Turned off at za taxiway. Tower said 'taxi via the outer, contact ground.' I was unfamiliar with jfk and stopped to check taxi chart while first officer called ground. I surmised that, in order to reach the outer, we needed to turn right on ea and proceeded that way. (If we had continued straight to join the outer, we would pass the entrance to our ramp at F.) contacted ground, who said 'taxi to the ramp.' I took this to mean that we could use any route and continued on ea. I was not told to hold short of the helipad, nor to use caution for a helicopter. I was taxiing slowly and looking for other taxiing aircraft, but was not used to looking up for helicopter's while on the ground. Just short of the helipad, saw helicopter approaching form my right. Stopped and made the left turn onto the outer and right on F. Ground didn't say anything to me, but did say something to another company aircraft, which eh may have mistaken for me. I obviously will be more vigilant in looking for helicopter's in the future, but the whole thing would have been avoided if ground control had been more specific, or had issue a warning not to cross the helipad.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX ACR MLG TAXIING AND HELICOPTER APCHING THE HELIPAD AT JFK.
Narrative: LANDED ON 13L AT JFK. TURNED OFF AT ZA TXWY. TWR SAID 'TAXI VIA THE OUTER, CONTACT GND.' I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH JFK AND STOPPED TO CHK TAXI CHART WHILE F/O CALLED GND. I SURMISED THAT, IN ORDER TO REACH THE OUTER, WE NEEDED TO TURN RIGHT ON EA AND PROCEEDED THAT WAY. (IF WE HAD CONTINUED STRAIGHT TO JOIN THE OUTER, WE WOULD PASS THE ENTRANCE TO OUR RAMP AT F.) CONTACTED GND, WHO SAID 'TAXI TO THE RAMP.' I TOOK THIS TO MEAN THAT WE COULD USE ANY RTE AND CONTINUED ON EA. I WAS NOT TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF THE HELIPAD, NOR TO USE CAUTION FOR A HELI. I WAS TAXIING SLOWLY AND LOOKING FOR OTHER TAXIING ACFT, BUT WAS NOT USED TO LOOKING UP FOR HELI'S WHILE ON THE GND. JUST SHORT OF THE HELIPAD, SAW HELI APCHING FORM MY RIGHT. STOPPED AND MADE THE LEFT TURN ONTO THE OUTER AND RIGHT ON F. GND DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO ME, BUT DID SAY SOMETHING TO ANOTHER COMPANY ACFT, WHICH EH MAY HAVE MISTAKEN FOR ME. I OBVIOUSLY WILL BE MORE VIGILANT IN LOOKING FOR HELI'S IN THE FUTURE, BUT THE WHOLE THING WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF GND CTL HAD BEEN MORE SPECIFIC, OR HAD ISSUE A WARNING NOT TO CROSS THE HELIPAD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.