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Attributes | |
ACN | 1397717 |
Time | |
Date | 201610 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | No Aircraft |
Person 1 | |
Qualification | Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 10 Flight Crew Total 2300 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
We have a recurring area of confusion between controllers and pilots. To my knowledge; and to the knowledge of our ATCT supervisor; there is no written documentation by the FAA of the common phrase 'report a 3 mile [left/right] base.'when ATC uses this; they want the pilot to enter an extended base leg (extending perpendicular from the runway approximately 3/4 mile from the runway threshold); and report 3 miles before turning final. When some pilots hear this; however; they will widen the entire pattern by 3 miles; and set up as if they are going to turn a 3 mile final; which sometimes messes up the sequence for ATC.I saw the FAA successfully resolve the final vector 'direct to the FAF' issue on instrument approaches that callback noted several years ago; and this is a similar system issue that should be addressed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: The reporter observed that there is no written standard for the FAA commonly used phrase; 'Report a 3 mile left/right base;' and that the phrase is sometimes misunderstood by pilots; resulting in a pattern that alters aircraft spacing; separation; and sequencing.
Narrative: We have a recurring area of confusion between controllers and pilots. To my knowledge; and to the knowledge of our ATCT supervisor; there is no written documentation by the FAA of the common phrase 'report a 3 mile [left/right] base.'When ATC uses this; they want the pilot to enter an extended base leg (extending perpendicular from the runway approximately 3/4 mile from the runway threshold); and report 3 miles before turning final. When some pilots hear this; however; they will widen the entire pattern by 3 miles; and set up as if they are going to turn a 3 mile final; which sometimes messes up the sequence for ATC.I saw the FAA successfully resolve the final vector 'direct to the FAF' issue on instrument approaches that callback noted several years ago; and this is a similar system issue that should be addressed.
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