Air carrier medium large transport altitude deviation crossing restriction not met. Speed deviation.

Attributes
ACN	141483
Time
Date	199004
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : den
State Reference	CO
Altitude	msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17700
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : den
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other descent other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 6700 flight time type : 1050
ASRS Report	141483
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time type : 12000
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Den approach told us to cross kiowa VOR at 17000' and 250 KTS. The captain was flying just back from a 7 yr medical leave in his third month of flying. He told me he had 12000 hours in the medium large transport. I could see he wasn't going to make the restriction and waited to the last possible moment to tell him he needed speed brakes or we needed to tell approach we couldn't comply. We were at 19200', 320 KTS, and 12 mi from kiowa nwbnd. He said he could make it. I knew otherwise, especially since he didn't use speed brakes. Approach called us 1 mi outside kiowa and asked us our speed. It was 290 KTS and slowing, and we were 900' high (I actually told her we were doing 280 KTS and slowing). We consequently hit the fix 700' high and 30-40 KTS fast. What should be done to remedy the problem: give first officer's more authority to get line checks in on capts. The captain may have had 12000 hours in an medium large transport, but he sure didn't display that operating expertise to me. Also, don't violate first officer's for things capts do against a first officer's advice.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG ALT DEVIATION CROSSING RESTRICTION NOT MET. SPEED DEVIATION.

Narrative: DEN APCH TOLD US TO CROSS KIOWA VOR AT 17000' AND 250 KTS. THE CAPT WAS FLYING JUST BACK FROM A 7 YR MEDICAL LEAVE IN HIS THIRD MONTH OF FLYING. HE TOLD ME HE HAD 12000 HRS IN THE MLG. I COULD SEE HE WASN'T GOING TO MAKE THE RESTRICTION AND WAITED TO THE LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT TO TELL HIM HE NEEDED SPD BRAKES OR WE NEEDED TO TELL APCH WE COULDN'T COMPLY. WE WERE AT 19200', 320 KTS, AND 12 MI FROM KIOWA NWBND. HE SAID HE COULD MAKE IT. I KNEW OTHERWISE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE DIDN'T USE SPD BRAKES. APCH CALLED US 1 MI OUTSIDE KIOWA AND ASKED US OUR SPD. IT WAS 290 KTS AND SLOWING, AND WE WERE 900' HIGH (I ACTUALLY TOLD HER WE WERE DOING 280 KTS AND SLOWING). WE CONSEQUENTLY HIT THE FIX 700' HIGH AND 30-40 KTS FAST. WHAT SHOULD BE DONE TO REMEDY THE PROB: GIVE F/O'S MORE AUTHORITY TO GET LINE CHKS IN ON CAPTS. THE CAPT MAY HAVE HAD 12000 HRS IN AN MLG, BUT HE SURE DIDN'T DISPLAY THAT OPERATING EXPERTISE TO ME. ALSO, DON'T VIOLATE F/O'S FOR THINGS CAPTS DO AGAINST A F/O'S ADVICE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.