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Attributes | |
ACN | 1420442 |
Time | |
Date | 201701 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZBW.ARTCC |
State Reference | NH |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Component | |
Aircraft Component | Altimeter |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural FAR |
Narrative:
Climbing out of kbtv; we were cleared to 18;000 ft. Upon leveling at 18;000 ft; we set altimeters to 29.92. Doing this immediately; gave us an altitude indication of 18; 640 ft so we began a descent leveling at an altitude of 18;000 ft indicated. Shortly thereafter; boston center informed us that we had indicated a level off followed by a descent to approximately 17;360 ft. I informed them about the discrepancy in our indicated altitude when setting 29.92 and informed them why the descent was initiated. Realizing that our true altitude was lower than 18;000 ft; I asked the controller if they wanted us to set the local altimeter setting of 29.28 or 29.92. The controller told us to set the local altimeter setting for the time being. Shortly thereafter; the controller said that the next controller requested we climb to either FL190 or FL200. We elected to climb to FL200.considering the local altimeter setting of 29.28; 18;000 ft is not a usable flight level. Both we and the controller failed to realize this until we had leveled off and reset the altimeters to 29.92. We all realized the error simultaneously and practically instantly. Given the fact that the cruising altitude of 18;000 ft was not a usable flight level; it should have never been filed by us nor should it have been assigned by the center controller. The problem with filing is not knowing the local altimeter setting for the area concerned. This can at times be hard to determine; therefore; FL180 should not be used and filed as a canned cruising flight level for flights in our system. A better idea would be to select either 17;000 ft or FL190 and above. On the controller side of the equation; there should be a system in place so that the controller is automatically alerted to the lowest usable flight level in their sector. This would prevent the assigning of an unusable flight level and the problem of insufficient altitude separation at those altitudes. In the end; the responsibility ultimately rest with both the aircrew and the controlling agency to prevent such an event. The easiest remedy is to just not plan on a cruising altitude of 18;000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Flight crew of a Large Transport aircraft reported descending approximately 700 feet due to using the local altimeter setting instead of 29.92. ATC asked about their altitude change and then assigned FL200 to fix the discrepancy.
Narrative: Climbing out of KBTV; we were cleared to 18;000 ft. Upon leveling at 18;000 ft; we set altimeters to 29.92. Doing this immediately; gave us an altitude indication of 18; 640 ft so we began a descent leveling at an altitude of 18;000 ft indicated. Shortly thereafter; Boston Center informed us that we had indicated a level off followed by a descent to approximately 17;360 ft. I informed them about the discrepancy in our indicated altitude when setting 29.92 and informed them why the descent was initiated. Realizing that our true altitude was lower than 18;000 ft; I asked the controller if they wanted us to set the local altimeter setting of 29.28 or 29.92. The controller told us to set the local altimeter setting for the time being. Shortly thereafter; the controller said that the next controller requested we climb to either FL190 or FL200. We elected to climb to FL200.Considering the local altimeter setting of 29.28; 18;000 ft is not a usable flight level. Both we and the controller failed to realize this until we had leveled off and reset the altimeters to 29.92. We all realized the error simultaneously and practically instantly. Given the fact that the cruising altitude of 18;000 ft was not a usable flight level; it should have never been filed by us nor should it have been assigned by the center controller. The problem with filing is not knowing the local altimeter setting for the area concerned. This can at times be hard to determine; therefore; FL180 should not be used and filed as a canned cruising flight level for flights in our system. A better idea would be to select either 17;000 ft or FL190 and above. On the controller side of the equation; there should be a system in place so that the controller is automatically alerted to the lowest usable flight level in their sector. This would prevent the assigning of an unusable flight level and the problem of insufficient altitude separation at those altitudes. In the end; the responsibility ultimately rest with both the aircrew and the controlling agency to prevent such an event. The easiest remedy is to just not plan on a cruising altitude of 18;000 ft.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.