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Attributes | |
ACN | 1474218 |
Time | |
Date | 201708 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | D01.TRACON |
State Reference | CO |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 6 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
I was working the northwest arrival gate and ZDV was restricted to one route over ramms due to the weather. Aircraft X came over direct to ramms to join the moltn arrival but our LOA requires them to join on fix outside. Aircraft Y came over in the area of ramms but checked in on a heading of 110 deviating around weather. Aircraft Z was about 10 miles northeast of ramms and came over direct to apa. None of this was coordinated. Then when aircraft a was inbound I waited to take the hand off. When they called for the handoff I asked what aircraft a was doing. I told the ZDV controller that the last 3 aircraft came over without coordination. The ZDV controller asked if I saw the weather and I responded yes but asked if that meant that he didn't have to coordinate. He told me to just take the hand off and shut up! I asked ZDV to at least tell me what heading aircraft a was on and got no response. I than asked them to stop aircraft a at 17000 and got no response. So I gave my initials and got off the line. I told the flm that was working the floor. He pulled the falcon and bookmarked it to send to an OM. He also called ZDV to let them know he was putting in a report. I'm so frustrated about this. This faculty has complained about the way we get handed traffic from ZDV for years and multiple reports have been filed over this kind of stuff. But at the end of the day there are zero repercussions for controllers not doing their job unless there is an accident. I can understand that they have to work harder during weather; but so do we. If that controller was so busy that he couldn't call to coordinate then he should have had a hand off plugged in with him. If two controllers are not able to keep up with the traffic then they should have shut down the route. We can't get them to simply do their job and then this guy feels like because there is some weather out there he doesn't have to let me know that the aircraft aren't doing what was agreed upon. In all honestly the only way to keep this from re-occurring is a complete culture shift. If air traffic manager's set the expectation that you will do your job correctly 100% of the time then the OM and flm will hold that standard to the controllers. No one is 100% perfect but isn't that what safety is all about.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Denver TRACON Controller reported 4 aircraft that came into the airspace were deviating due to weather and coordination was not done to advise the receiving controller.
Narrative: I was working the NW arrival gate and ZDV was restricted to one route over RAMMS due to the weather. Aircraft X came over direct to RAMMS to join the MOLTN arrival but our LOA requires them to join on fix outside. Aircraft Y came over in the area of RAMMS but checked in on a heading of 110 deviating around weather. Aircraft Z was about 10 miles northeast of RAMMS and came over direct to APA. None of this was coordinated. Then when Aircraft A was inbound I waited to take the hand off. When they called for the handoff I asked what Aircraft A was doing. I told the ZDV controller that the last 3 aircraft came over without coordination. The ZDV controller asked if I saw the weather and I responded yes but asked if that meant that he didn't have to coordinate. He told me to just take the hand off and shut up! I asked ZDV to at least tell me what heading Aircraft A was on and got no response. I than asked them to stop Aircraft A at 17000 and got no response. So I gave my initials and got off the line. I told the FLM that was working the floor. He pulled the Falcon and bookmarked it to send to an OM. He also called ZDV to let them know he was putting in a report. I'm so frustrated about this. This faculty has complained about the way we get handed traffic from ZDV for years and multiple reports have been filed over this kind of stuff. But at the end of the day there are zero repercussions for controllers not doing their job unless there is an accident. I can understand that they have to work harder during weather; but so do we. If that controller was so busy that he couldn't call to coordinate then he should have had a hand off plugged in with him. If two controllers are not able to keep up with the traffic then they should have shut down the route. We can't get them to simply do their job and then this guy feels like because there is some weather out there he doesn't have to let me know that the aircraft aren't doing what was agreed upon. In all honestly the only way to keep this from re-occurring is a complete culture shift. If Air Traffic Manager's set the expectation that you will do your job correctly 100% of the time then the OM and FLM will hold that standard to the controllers. No one is 100% perfect but isn't that what safety is all about.
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