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Attributes | |
ACN | 1484782 |
Time | |
Date | 201709 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | LAS.Airport |
State Reference | NV |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Climb Takeoff |
Route In Use | SID SHEAD1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Embraer Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 630 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
Our TCAS was meled. Cpdlc (controller pilot datalink communication) clearance was to climb via a SID. 19000 was the top altitude. We had a 9000 foot hold down programmed in the MCP. LNAV was armed. Tower cleared us to 'line up and wait; report the departing embraer in sight.' after takeoff; upwind in the climb; tower said 'don't turn inside the embraer; contact departure.' I'm thinking we are on a climb via clearance. Lateral and vertical path is locked in. The aircraft is about to turn; and it's going to turn inside the embraer contrary to the controller's direction. It seems to me if he wants us to do something different than the SID because of a traffic conflict; he needs to assign us a heading and/or altitude and officially relieve us from the climb via clearance. We decided to stay on SID based on our official clearance. I contacted departure and stated; '4300 climbing via the shead 1.' meanwhile; I had the embraer in sight and our courses were converging. I can't remember exactly how departure control replied; but essentially it was that the embraer traffic is 'diverging' and to maintain 6000 feet'. We were converging and if the TCAS was operable; it would at least be giving us a TA alert if not an RA.I am not sure exactly what happened with ATC in this situation. I don't know what departure the embraer was on and how it should have been appropriately handled with our departure. It just seemed the conflict was handled last-minute and not appropriately.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 First Officer reported receiving conflicting clearances from ATC; which resulted in confliction with other departing traffic.
Narrative: Our TCAS was MELed. CPDLC (Controller Pilot DataLink Communication) clearance was to climb via a SID. 19000 was the top altitude. We had a 9000 foot hold down programmed in the MCP. LNAV was armed. Tower cleared us to 'Line up and wait; report the departing Embraer in sight.' After takeoff; upwind in the climb; Tower said 'Don't turn inside the Embraer; contact Departure.' I'm thinking we are on a climb via clearance. Lateral and vertical path is locked in. The aircraft is about to turn; and it's going to turn inside the Embraer contrary to the Controller's direction. It seems to me if he wants us to do something different than the SID because of a traffic conflict; he needs to assign us a heading and/or altitude and officially relieve us from the Climb Via clearance. We decided to stay on SID based on our official clearance. I contacted Departure and stated; '4300 climbing via the SHEAD 1.' Meanwhile; I had the Embraer in sight and our courses were converging. I can't remember exactly how Departure Control replied; but essentially it was that the Embraer traffic is 'diverging' and to maintain 6000 feet'. We were converging and if the TCAS was operable; it would at least be giving us a TA alert if not an RA.I am not sure exactly what happened with ATC in this situation. I don't know what departure the Embraer was on and how it should have been appropriately handled with our departure. It just seemed the conflict was handled last-minute and not appropriately.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.