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Air carrier captain reported receiving conflicting and confusing taxi clearances from ground control and ramp control after landing at phl.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1604971 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201812 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | PHL.Airport |
| State Reference | PA |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Taxiway |
Narrative:
We were taxiing in at phl on taxiway east. We were told to enter the ramp at E5 we called ramp on 130.575 and asked for clearance in. The controller said to call the other ramp on 129.75 at spot 12. So we taxied to spot 12 and called the ramp. The controller on 129.75 said we were in the wrong spot and that we shouldn't have been in that spot. We were cleared into park and no issues arose from this. No traffic was near us on the ramp and the flight was completed successfully. The ramp controller informed us of our mistake and we accepted it. Confusing ATC instructions are what caused me to go to the spot without clearance. The phl ramp controllers didn't make very clear instructions to us and I am new to phl so I was unfamiliar. It does not seem like the ramp controllers talk to one another and it seemed like one controller cleared me into another ramp that they did not control. It was very confusing but again no issues arose from this and the flight was completed without any further issues.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier Captain reported receiving conflicting and confusing taxi clearances from Ground Control and Ramp Control after landing at PHL.
Narrative: We were taxiing in at PHL on taxiway E. We were told to enter the ramp at E5 we called ramp on 130.575 and asked for clearance in. The controller said to call the other ramp on 129.75 at spot 12. So we taxied to spot 12 and called the ramp. The controller on 129.75 said we were in the wrong spot and that we shouldn't have been in that spot. We were cleared into park and no issues arose from this. No traffic was near us on the ramp and the flight was completed successfully. The Ramp Controller informed us of our mistake and we accepted it. Confusing ATC instructions are what caused me to go to the spot without clearance. The PHL ramp controllers didn't make very clear instructions to us and I am new to PHL so I was unfamiliar. It does not seem like the ramp controllers talk to one another and it seemed like one controller cleared me into another ramp that they did not control. It was very confusing but again no issues arose from this and the flight was completed without any further issues.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.