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Attributes | |
ACN | 151233 |
Time | |
Date | 199007 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ene |
State Reference | ME |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 28500 msl bound upper : 29000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Transport |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 6 |
ASRS Report | 151233 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified atc |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Flight of 2 bmb's X assigned fl280b290. Issued discretionary descent to fl240b250. Sector extremely busy. Air carrier Y issued descent to FL290 (traffic was bmb flight). Data block of bmb X indicated FL280 descending to FL240 so controller used FL290 for descending air carrier. Second bmb was at FL285. It is possible that there was a loss of sep. Present ATC rules do not require additional vertical sep for a formation flight. By using 'minimum' vertical sep it is possible to loose 'minimum' sep with wingmen.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR Y HAD LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION FROM BMB X FLT. SYSTEM ERROR.
Narrative: FLT OF 2 BMB'S X ASSIGNED FL280B290. ISSUED DISCRETIONARY DSNT TO FL240B250. SECTOR EXTREMELY BUSY. ACR Y ISSUED DSNT TO FL290 (TFC WAS BMB FLT). DATA BLOCK OF BMB X INDICATED FL280 DSNDING TO FL240 SO CTLR USED FL290 FOR DSNDING ACR. SECOND BMB WAS AT FL285. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE WAS A LOSS OF SEP. PRESENT ATC RULES DO NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL VERT SEP FOR A FORMATION FLT. BY USING 'MINIMUM' VERT SEP IT IS POSSIBLE TO LOOSE 'MINIMUM' SEP WITH WINGMEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.