Narrative:

I was conducting a student training flight on arsa operations and radio communications. This was the students third extra training flight so I was allowing him every opportunity to pass the lesson. The departure from dab and traffic pattern operations at a local uncontrolled airport (located under the 10 mi outer circle) were satisfactory. Upon departing the uncontrolled airport the student headed northbound toward dab. While listening to ATIS and trying to orient himself, the student almost climbed above 1200'. I had to intervene to prevent it. The student attempted to call approach control on 120.7 (tower) then on 125.8 (approach control from the north). At this point we received a squawk code from the north approach controller, we were approximately 5 mi south of dab. I could see the port orange bridge in front of me and to my right (this is the 5 mi point along the coast) and thought that because we were still south of the bridge we were ok. As we were waiting for radar contact I could see dab runway 34 and realized we were too close, so I tuned the plane eastbound at which point we were radar idented 3 mi south of dab. In attempting to give the student every chance to pass the lesson, the restr visibility and myself believed that because we were south of the port orange bridge (5 mi southeast of dab), we were clear of the arsa. I/we penetration in inner circle of the arsa/air traffic area west/O prior permission from ATC. In the future if a student is having as many problems as this student was having, or I feel the student really doesn't understand the arrival procedures, I will conduct the flight back to dab and we will discuss the problems on the ground.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PRESUMED ARSA VIOLATION DUE TO NO RADAR CONTACT ESTABLISHED.

Narrative: I WAS CONDUCTING A STUDENT TRNING FLT ON ARSA OPS AND RADIO COMS. THIS WAS THE STUDENTS THIRD EXTRA TRNING FLT SO I WAS ALLOWING HIM EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PASS THE LESSON. THE DEP FROM DAB AND TFC PATTERN OPS AT A LCL UNCONTROLLED ARPT (LOCATED UNDER THE 10 MI OUTER CIRCLE) WERE SATISFACTORY. UPON DEPARTING THE UNCONTROLLED ARPT THE STUDENT HEADED NBND TOWARD DAB. WHILE LISTENING TO ATIS AND TRYING TO ORIENT HIMSELF, THE STUDENT ALMOST CLBED ABOVE 1200'. I HAD TO INTERVENE TO PREVENT IT. THE STUDENT ATTEMPTED TO CALL APCH CTL ON 120.7 (TWR) THEN ON 125.8 (APCH CTL FROM THE N). AT THIS POINT WE RECEIVED A SQUAWK CODE FROM THE N APCH CTLR, WE WERE APPROX 5 MI S OF DAB. I COULD SEE THE PORT ORANGE BRIDGE IN FRONT OF ME AND TO MY RIGHT (THIS IS THE 5 MI POINT ALONG THE COAST) AND THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE WE WERE STILL S OF THE BRIDGE WE WERE OK. AS WE WERE WAITING FOR RADAR CONTACT I COULD SEE DAB RWY 34 AND REALIZED WE WERE TOO CLOSE, SO I TUNED THE PLANE EBND AT WHICH POINT WE WERE RADAR IDENTED 3 MI S OF DAB. IN ATTEMPTING TO GIVE THE STUDENT EVERY CHANCE TO PASS THE LESSON, THE RESTR VISIBILITY AND MYSELF BELIEVED THAT BECAUSE WE WERE S OF THE PORT ORANGE BRIDGE (5 MI SE OF DAB), WE WERE CLR OF THE ARSA. I/WE PENETRATION IN INNER CIRCLE OF THE ARSA/ATA W/O PRIOR PERMISSION FROM ATC. IN THE FUTURE IF A STUDENT IS HAVING AS MANY PROBS AS THIS STUDENT WAS HAVING, OR I FEEL THE STUDENT REALLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE ARR PROCS, I WILL CONDUCT THE FLT BACK TO DAB AND WE WILL DISCUSS THE PROBS ON THE GND.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.