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Attributes | |
ACN | 1525744 |
Time | |
Date | 201803 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SCT.TRACON |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | TBM 700/TBM 850 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR KAYOH |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 15 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter CFTT / CFIT |
Narrative:
Aircraft X came from joshua approach IFR south; level 8;000 ft; landing sbd. Behind it was aircraft Y at 10;000 ft for sna (approximately 5 miles). I wanted to get the aircraft Y down to 8;000 ft and on a heading to hand off to hemet sector; for the kayoh arrival. Aircraft X was landing sbd anyhow; so I stepped him down to 7;400 ft (the MVA in that area) to get him as low as possible for the approach and so I could keep aircraft Y going down above him until he flew past. I then noticed the helicopter dipped below 7;400 ft to 7;200 ft so I started watching; and as it continued down to 7;000 ft; he keyed up and started telling me the location of a fire he saw. He was giving me a lot of detail about the fire; and meanwhile his altitude kept on going down; until he finally unkeyed as he was descending thru 6;700 ft. I told him to climb back up to 7;400 ft; and then gave him the low altitude alert phraseology.2 things I have thought about: maybe an odd altitude like 7;400 ft is a confusing altitude for pilots; since normally we assign altitudes in increments of 1;000 ft.the other is I should have jumped on the altitude discrepancy as soon as I saw the aircraft dip below 7;400 ft; versus waiting and watching; and then being unable to do anything because of frequency usage.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SCT TRACON Controller reported a Helicopter descended below the MVA while issuing a wildfire report.
Narrative: Aircraft X came from Joshua approach IFR south; level 8;000 ft; landing SBD. Behind it was Aircraft Y at 10;000 ft for SNA (approximately 5 miles). I wanted to get the Aircraft Y down to 8;000 ft and on a heading to hand off to Hemet sector; for the KAYOH arrival. Aircraft X was landing SBD anyhow; so I stepped him down to 7;400 ft (the MVA in that area) to get him as low as possible for the approach and so I could keep Aircraft Y going down above him until he flew past. I then noticed the helicopter dipped below 7;400 ft to 7;200 ft so I started watching; and as it continued down to 7;000 ft; he keyed up and started telling me the location of a fire he saw. He was giving me a lot of detail about the fire; and meanwhile his altitude kept on going down; until he finally unkeyed as he was descending thru 6;700 ft. I told him to climb back up to 7;400 ft; and then gave him the low altitude alert phraseology.2 things I have thought about: Maybe an odd altitude like 7;400 ft is a confusing altitude for pilots; since normally we assign altitudes in increments of 1;000 ft.The other is I should have jumped on the altitude discrepancy as soon as I saw the aircraft dip below 7;400 ft; versus waiting and watching; and then being unable to do anything because of frequency usage.
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