Reporters protest tower policy of holding widebody transport type aircraft between runways at lax.

Attributes
ACN	153098
Time
Date	199008
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	landing other
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	ground : holding
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 19150 flight time type : 3500
ASRS Report	153098
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 300
ASRS Report	154243
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

We were in a widebody transport landing on runway 25L at lax airport, the first officer was flying. We were following a widebody transport by approximately 5 mi and tower cleared us to land. The widebody transport was holding short of runway 25R on the taxiway between runway 25 right and left. He was told by the tower 3 times to move forward 10', but apparently did not move. I told the first officer to continue the approach and landing because in my judgement the tail of the widebody transport was clear of the runway. On the landing rollout we passed the widebody transport at approximately 30 KTS, I steered the aircraft a little to the left of the runway centerline to give us a little more clearance. The first officer told me he thought the tail of the widebody transport was over the taxiway hold line by 10 or 15'. We had ample wingtip to tail clearance, but I would feel more comfortable if the tail had been behind the taxiway hold line.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: REPORTERS PROTEST TWR POLICY OF HOLDING WDB TYPE ACFT BETWEEN RWYS AT LAX.

Narrative: WE WERE IN A WDB LNDG ON RWY 25L AT LAX ARPT, THE F/O WAS FLYING. WE WERE FOLLOWING A WDB BY APPROX 5 MI AND TWR CLRED US TO LAND. THE WDB WAS HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 25R ON THE TXWY BTWN RWY 25 R AND L. HE WAS TOLD BY THE TWR 3 TIMES TO MOVE FORWARD 10', BUT APPARENTLY DID NOT MOVE. I TOLD THE F/O TO CONTINUE THE APCH AND LNDG BECAUSE IN MY JUDGEMENT THE TAIL OF THE WDB WAS CLR OF THE RWY. ON THE LNDG ROLLOUT WE PASSED THE WDB AT APPROX 30 KTS, I STEERED THE ACFT A LITTLE TO THE L OF THE RWY CTRLINE TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE CLRNC. THE F/O TOLD ME HE THOUGHT THE TAIL OF THE WDB WAS OVER THE TXWY HOLD LINE BY 10 OR 15'. WE HAD AMPLE WINGTIP TO TAIL CLRNC, BUT I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THE TAIL HAD BEEN BEHIND THE TXWY HOLD LINE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.