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Light transport captain reported a C90 controller issued a speed above 200kts while under class B airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1534338 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201804 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | C90.TRACON |
| State Reference | IL |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Route In Use | Direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
Flying into pwk near the edake fix. We were at 3000 ft MSL; and ATC cleared us direct higuh; RNAV rwy 16 IAF; and told us to hold 210 KIAS until higuh. We were 6 NM from the outer shelf of class B airspace where the bottom was 3600 ft MSL. I told him I could give him 210 KIAS for 6 more miles but then I had to slow down for class B airspace. He replied 'I own the class B airspace!' I kindly responded; 'sir; I mean no disrespect; but that's a rule you can't waive. The best I can do is 200 KIAS.' shortly after that a different controller took over and told us to maintain 180 KIAS or better to higuh. The rest of the flight was uneventful. This is the third report I've submitted on this subject; but probably the fifth or sixth time it's happened to me. Far 91.117 (c) has been around for a long time (as long as I've been flying). It's not like it's something new. Are approach controllers not properly trained on this regulation; or are they intentionally ignoring it when it helps their separation/spacing? Every time I've informed a controller that I couldn't comply with this type of clearance they reacted in an arrogant; condescending manner. I'm tired of it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Light Transport Captain reported a C90 Controller issued a speed above 200kts while under Class B airspace.
Narrative: Flying into PWK near the EDAKE fix. We were at 3000 ft MSL; and ATC cleared us direct HIGUH; RNAV Rwy 16 IAF; and told us to hold 210 KIAS until HIGUH. We were 6 NM from the outer shelf of Class B airspace where the bottom was 3600 ft MSL. I told him I could give him 210 KIAS for 6 more miles but then I had to slow down for Class B airspace. He replied 'I own the Class B airspace!' I kindly responded; 'Sir; I mean no disrespect; but that's a rule you can't waive. The best I can do is 200 KIAS.' Shortly after that a different controller took over and told us to maintain 180 KIAS or better to HIGUH. The rest of the flight was uneventful. This is the third report I've submitted on this subject; but probably the fifth or sixth time it's happened to me. FAR 91.117 (c) has been around for a long time (as long as I've been flying). It's not like it's something new. Are approach controllers not properly trained on this regulation; or are they intentionally ignoring it when it helps their separation/spacing? Every time I've informed a controller that I couldn't comply with this type of clearance they reacted in an arrogant; condescending manner. I'm tired of it.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.