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Air carrier medium large transport flight crew experiences track deviation and alleged speed deviation on loop 8 departure from lax.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 155672 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199008 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 155672 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departing lax early morning on the loop 8 departure, we were cleared to turn to lax and meet all altitude restrictions. We started a slow turn around to ensure crossing lax at or above 1000'. Out of 10000', shortly before lax we accelerated per our climb schedule. About that time the controller stated we were wide (he stated 10 mi our DME said 8) and asked if we were at 250 KIAS. I said no, we never were told to maintain 250 KIAS. He said we were and to slow to 250 KIAS. I rechked clearance and SID and found no 250 KIAS restrictions or remain within restriction. I don't get to lax often. Maybe there are local procedures I'm unaware of. We were heavy and needed to make the restrictions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG FLT CREW EXPERIENCES TRACK DEVIATION AND ALLEGED SPEED DEVIATION ON LOOP 8 DEP FROM LAX.
Narrative: DEPARTING LAX EARLY MORNING ON THE LOOP 8 DEP, WE WERE CLRED TO TURN TO LAX AND MEET ALL ALT RESTRICTIONS. WE STARTED A SLOW TURN AROUND TO ENSURE XING LAX AT OR ABOVE 1000'. OUT OF 10000', SHORTLY BEFORE LAX WE ACCELERATED PER OUR CLB SCHEDULE. ABOUT THAT TIME THE CTLR STATED WE WERE WIDE (HE STATED 10 MI OUR DME SAID 8) AND ASKED IF WE WERE AT 250 KIAS. I SAID NO, WE NEVER WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 250 KIAS. HE SAID WE WERE AND TO SLOW TO 250 KIAS. I RECHKED CLRNC AND SID AND FOUND NO 250 KIAS RESTRICTIONS OR REMAIN WITHIN RESTRICTION. I DON'T GET TO LAX OFTEN. MAYBE THERE ARE LCL PROCS I'M UNAWARE OF. WE WERE HVY AND NEEDED TO MAKE THE RESTRICTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.