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Attributes | |
ACN | 1561092 |
Time | |
Date | 201807 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B747-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Takeoff |
Route In Use | Other On SID/STAR |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 180 Flight Crew Total 7800 Flight Crew Type 1000 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 22 Flight Crew Total 10000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
As the crew was taking runway xxl in ZZZ for departure the tower queried us as to whether or not we were assigned the ZZZ2 departure SID. I responded that we were cleared via the ZZZ8 departure. This created some confusion because it sounded like we may have been given the wrong departure procedure and the question came at a very inopportune time as we were lining up with the centerline for takeoff. The controller came back and said we were cleared for takeoff on runway xxl ZZZ8 departure. We had briefed the ZZZ8 and had elected to do this using LNAV/VNAV. The departure has you making a left turn to heading 199 upon reaching 2000 feet or DME 4.0; whichever comes first. On takeoff climbing through 2000 feet we expected to see the flight director command a right hand turn as was depicted on the pfd (primary flight display) to a heading of 199. As is common with a vectored SID we could see the magenta line was continuously pushing further back until conditions had been met to initiate the turn.climbing through 2400 feet it was clear that the flight director was not going to initiate a turn and that the turn was still out ahead of us for around 2 more miles. We were in day VMC conditions heading towards a mountain range and the captain decided to revert to heading sel 199. As we began the turn departure gave us a clearance to climb to 20000 feet. The environment on the flight deck was a busy one along with confusion about what the SID was commanding the flight director (FD) to perform and I felt it prudent to ask for the autopilot to command. While in the turn the ca (captain) engaged the autopilot for me and it almost immediately disengaged. We reselected the autopilot to command and this time it remained on. I was calling for flaps as appropriate to the profile and then called for LNAV to go back into that mode on the SID. When the ca selected LNAV the FMC scratchpad gave us a not on intercept heading message. Most likely because we were paralleling the course after having rolled out on a 199 heading.in retrospect we probably should have just remained in heading sel until given further clearance. At about the same time ATC amended our clearance to 4000 feet. We were climbing through about 3400 feet at the time and quickly rolled the altitude back down to 4000 where it had been set to the previously cleared 20000 feet. Needless to say; it was a very busy takeoff and with so much going on the captain elected to go direct to position [waypoint] to get rid of the not on intercept heading message in the scratchpad. Unfortunately that commanded a turn further past 199 heading and the controller asked us again what departure we were on and told us to turn back to a heading of 199. Shortly after we were cleared direct to [waypoint] and 20000 feet. We executed that on the CDU (control display panel) and selected LNAV and proceeded without further incident. I feel that if I had more thoroughly briefed the departure procedure I may have stopped the captain from selecting direct to [waypoint] amid all of the confusion. I am still not sure why the FD never initiated the right turn after meeting the conditions on the SID during the takeoff. It certainly made us wonder whether the SID was properly coded and whether or not this particular SID should just be performed in heading mode on takeoff. Runway xxl is an unusual choice to for takeoff that is primarily occurring right now due to all of the construction taking place in ZZZ. It was a valuable lesson to make sure the SID is properly briefed and that everything we do using LNAV and following a magenta line should always be backed up with published charts and raw data in the event something like this scenario occurs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747 Flight Crew reported the Flight Management System directed an incorrect departure procedure.
Narrative: As the crew was taking Runway XXL in ZZZ for departure the Tower queried us as to whether or not we were assigned the ZZZ2 departure SID. I responded that we were cleared via the ZZZ8 Departure. This created some confusion because it sounded like we may have been given the wrong departure procedure and the question came at a very inopportune time as we were lining up with the centerline for takeoff. The controller came back and said we were cleared for takeoff on Runway XXL ZZZ8 departure. We had briefed the ZZZ8 and had elected to do this using LNAV/VNAV. The departure has you making a left turn to heading 199 upon reaching 2000 feet or DME 4.0; whichever comes first. On takeoff climbing through 2000 feet we expected to see the flight director command a right hand turn as was depicted on the PFD (Primary Flight Display) to a heading of 199. As is common with a vectored SID we could see the magenta line was continuously pushing further back until conditions had been met to initiate the turn.Climbing through 2400 feet it was clear that the Flight Director was not going to initiate a turn and that the turn was still out ahead of us for around 2 more miles. We were in day VMC conditions heading towards a mountain range and the Captain decided to revert to HDG SEL 199. As we began the turn Departure gave us a clearance to climb to 20000 feet. The environment on the flight deck was a busy one along with confusion about what the SID was commanding the Flight Director (FD) to perform and I felt it prudent to ask for the autopilot to command. While in the turn the CA (Captain) engaged the autopilot for me and it almost immediately disengaged. We reselected the autopilot to command and this time it remained on. I was calling for flaps as appropriate to the profile and then called for LNAV to go back into that mode on the SID. When the CA selected LNAV the FMC scratchpad gave us a not on intercept heading message. Most likely because we were paralleling the course after having rolled out on a 199 heading.In retrospect we probably should have just remained in HDG SEL until given further clearance. At about the same time ATC amended our clearance to 4000 feet. We were climbing through about 3400 feet at the time and quickly rolled the altitude back down to 4000 where it had been set to the previously cleared 20000 feet. Needless to say; it was a very busy takeoff and with so much going on the Captain elected to go direct to position [waypoint] to get rid of the not on intercept heading message in the scratchpad. Unfortunately that commanded a turn further past 199 HDG and the controller asked us again what departure we were on and told us to turn back to a HDG of 199. Shortly after we were cleared direct to [waypoint] and 20000 feet. We executed that on the CDU (Control Display Panel) and selected LNAV and proceeded without further incident. I feel that if I had more thoroughly briefed the departure procedure I may have stopped the Captain from selecting direct to [waypoint] amid all of the confusion. I am still not sure why the FD never initiated the right turn after meeting the conditions on the SID during the takeoff. It certainly made us wonder whether the SID was properly coded and whether or not this particular SID should just be performed in HDG mode on takeoff. Runway XXL is an unusual choice to for takeoff that is primarily occurring right now due to all of the construction taking place in ZZZ. It was a valuable lesson to make sure the SID is properly briefed and that everything we do using LNAV and following a magenta line should always be backed up with published charts and raw data in the event something like this scenario occurs.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.