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Attributes | |
ACN | 157620 |
Time | |
Date | 199009 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fra |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : fra artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : noise abatement departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 211 flight time total : 20629 flight time type : 3744 |
ASRS Report | 157620 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Both the copilot and I wrote our flight clearance, which included the kirn 2 departure, as we received it from clearance delivery. I placed the 10-3C departure page on my center map holder and briefed the crew on the departure, including emergency items, and read aloud the kirn 2E departure procedure. During our departure, radar asked why we had turned early. The copilot replied that we were flying the departure as depicted. Radar reminded us that we were to fly the kirn 2D departure for noise abatement and that there was not traffic conflict. As captain of this flight, I accept full responsibility for this deviation from our clearance, and will remember this incident so that it won't happen to me again. The following comments have nothing to do with the flight clearance deviation I've described. I make them because I and other pilots I know are concerned about the amount of information presented to us for the operation of our flts. 1) for the flight prompting this report: 1) over 30' of computer printout of information for this flight including 30 navigation waypoints, later to be revised en route. (I was even rerouted through a restr area in which ATC could not guarantee we would not be fired upon west/O warning. I refused the reroute.) B) 37 pages of information, departure, arrival and approach plates for eddf. (Departures: 41 separate depictions.) 2) together, the 2 airports at paris, france--orly and charles de gaulle--have procedures and information that make up a small volume of 89 pages. 3) the 25# flight bag I carry contains 5 volumes of information in a constant state of revision. Too much information could cause important items to be overlooked--lost in the maze of print. Important items of information and procedures should be concise and printed so as to be easy to read--especially at night.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR WDB TRACK HEADING DEVIATION FLYING A NOISE SID OUT OF FRA.
Narrative: BOTH THE COPLT AND I WROTE OUR FLT CLRNC, WHICH INCLUDED THE KIRN 2 DEP, AS WE RECEIVED IT FROM CLRNC DELIVERY. I PLACED THE 10-3C DEP PAGE ON MY CENTER MAP HOLDER AND BRIEFED THE CREW ON THE DEP, INCLUDING EMER ITEMS, AND READ ALOUD THE KIRN 2E DEP PROC. DURING OUR DEP, RADAR ASKED WHY WE HAD TURNED EARLY. THE COPLT REPLIED THAT WE WERE FLYING THE DEP AS DEPICTED. RADAR REMINDED US THAT WE WERE TO FLY THE KIRN 2D DEP FOR NOISE ABATEMENT AND THAT THERE WAS NOT TFC CONFLICT. AS CAPT OF THIS FLT, I ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS DEVIATION FROM OUR CLRNC, AND WILL REMEMBER THIS INCIDENT SO THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN TO ME AGAIN. THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FLT CLRNC DEVIATION I'VE DESCRIBED. I MAKE THEM BECAUSE I AND OTHER PLTS I KNOW ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF INFO PRESENTED TO US FOR THE OPERATION OF OUR FLTS. 1) FOR THE FLT PROMPTING THIS RPT: 1) OVER 30' OF COMPUTER PRINTOUT OF INFO FOR THIS FLT INCLUDING 30 NAV WAYPOINTS, LATER TO BE REVISED ENRTE. (I WAS EVEN REROUTED THROUGH A RESTR AREA IN WHICH ATC COULD NOT GUARANTEE WE WOULD NOT BE FIRED UPON W/O WARNING. I REFUSED THE REROUTE.) B) 37 PAGES OF INFO, DEP, ARR AND APCH PLATES FOR EDDF. (DEPS: 41 SEPARATE DEPICTIONS.) 2) TOGETHER, THE 2 ARPTS AT PARIS, FRANCE--ORLY AND CHARLES DE GAULLE--HAVE PROCS AND INFO THAT MAKE UP A SMALL VOLUME OF 89 PAGES. 3) THE 25# FLT BAG I CARRY CONTAINS 5 VOLUMES OF INFO IN A CONSTANT STATE OF REVISION. TOO MUCH INFO COULD CAUSE IMPORTANT ITEMS TO BE OVERLOOKED--LOST IN THE MAZE OF PRINT. IMPORTANT ITEMS OF INFO AND PROCS SHOULD BE CONCISE AND PRINTED SO AS TO BE EASY TO READ--ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.