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Attributes | |
ACN | 159699 |
Time | |
Date | 199009 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fml airport : clt |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 749 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : clt tower : clt |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 159699 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Enclosed are several problem areas I found on plates. Hornet one departure (vector) SID out of clt. I hear some one on the radio squawking about some misunderstanding or another with ATC. So this is a gripe by a 'casual user', line pilot. Who sees a problem. 250 KT speed restriction is buried in small print. It should be in great big letters with a box around it. The vector names' are the same as the missed approach procedure/fix and are set up for a gotcha! Ie, look at 'stann' on the SID and 'stann' on the approach, missed approach. It is the stann vector which is the 347 right off the clt (115.0) VOR and the picture on the plate 11-1A, clt ILS runway 36L and the missed approach procedure...proceed to the stann (fix) on the 247 right off of ft mill (112.4) for 29.5 DME. Well, if you've just flown a CAT ii/III approach into clt you're going to know the stann thing (or so you think) since you reviewed it when you reviewed the map procedure for the ILS. Which is proceed to the stann (fix) on the 347 right off of ft mill (112.4) for 29.5 DME. Now if you've done a CAT ii/III everything is late and all rushed ATC at the gate. You're going to study the small print to break out the fact that stann (347 right) should be off of 115.0 clt not 112.4 fml, and is a heading, not the 347/29.5? This is a gotcha built into the SID. It got me. Summary; this is a cheap SID and should be rebuilt.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HEADING TRACK DEVIATION.
Narrative: ENCLOSED ARE SEVERAL PROB AREAS I FOUND ON PLATES. HORNET ONE DEP (VECTOR) SID OUT OF CLT. I HEAR SOME ONE ON THE RADIO SQUAWKING ABOUT SOME MISUNDERSTANDING OR ANOTHER WITH ATC. SO THIS IS A GRIPE BY A 'CASUAL USER', LINE PLT. WHO SEES A PROB. 250 KT SPD RESTRICTION IS BURIED IN SMALL PRINT. IT SHOULD BE IN GREAT BIG LETTERS WITH A BOX AROUND IT. THE VECTOR NAMES' ARE THE SAME AS THE MISSED APCH PROC/FIX AND ARE SET UP FOR A GOTCHA! IE, LOOK AT 'STANN' ON THE SID AND 'STANN' ON THE APCH, MISSED APCH. IT IS THE STANN VECTOR WHICH IS THE 347 R OFF THE CLT (115.0) VOR AND THE PICTURE ON THE PLATE 11-1A, CLT ILS RWY 36L AND THE MISSED APCH PROC...PROCEED TO THE STANN (FIX) ON THE 247 R OFF OF FT MILL (112.4) FOR 29.5 DME. WELL, IF YOU'VE JUST FLOWN A CAT II/III APCH INTO CLT YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THE STANN THING (OR SO YOU THINK) SINCE YOU REVIEWED IT WHEN YOU REVIEWED THE MAP PROC FOR THE ILS. WHICH IS PROCEED TO THE STANN (FIX) ON THE 347 R OFF OF FT MILL (112.4) FOR 29.5 DME. NOW IF YOU'VE DONE A CAT II/III EVERYTHING IS LATE AND ALL RUSHED ATC AT THE GATE. YOU'RE GOING TO STUDY THE SMALL PRINT TO BREAK OUT THE FACT THAT STANN (347 R) SHOULD BE OFF OF 115.0 CLT NOT 112.4 FML, AND IS A HDG, NOT THE 347/29.5? THIS IS A GOTCHA BUILT INTO THE SID. IT GOT ME. SUMMARY; THIS IS A CHEAP SID AND SHOULD BE REBUILT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.