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Attributes | |
ACN | 160325 |
Time | |
Date | 199010 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : msy |
State Reference | LA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 160325 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After landing at new I cannot be sure we were cleared for the approach or clearance to land. The problem arose due to marginal WX in msy. The localizer backcourse to runway 19 was in use. This approach requires several stepdowns and therefore requiring many callouts as per our company procedures. (Both of us were busy.) the captain was flying I was acting as support pilot. It was discovered after landing that we were still on approach control frequency. Although the approach controller may have cleared us to land I'm not certain. Putting the clearance to land on the before landing checklist may be a possible solution.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG CARGO ACFT LANDS WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: AFTER LNDG AT NEW I CANNOT BE SURE WE WERE CLRED FOR THE APCH OR CLRNC TO LAND. THE PROB AROSE DUE TO MARGINAL WX IN MSY. THE LOC BACKCOURSE TO RWY 19 WAS IN USE. THIS APCH REQUIRES SEVERAL STEPDOWNS AND THEREFORE REQUIRING MANY CALLOUTS AS PER OUR COMPANY PROCS. (BOTH OF US WERE BUSY.) THE CAPT WAS FLYING I WAS ACTING AS SUPPORT PLT. IT WAS DISCOVERED AFTER LNDG THAT WE WERE STILL ON APCH CTL FREQ. ALTHOUGH THE APCH CTLR MAY HAVE CLRED US TO LAND I'M NOT CERTAIN. PUTTING THE CLRNC TO LAND ON THE BEFORE LNDG CHKLIST MAY BE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.