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Attributes | |
ACN | 163803 |
Time | |
Date | 199011 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : swf |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 472 agl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : swf artcc : zid |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 18000 |
ASRS Report | 163803 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
VOR approach to swf is hazardous under IMC conditions. It definitely appears that if WX were at minimums 940' MSL, 1 mi visibility, vdp of 13.8, one would need to be left of course at vdp and make a further left turn followed by a right turn to get into position to land. We made the approach at night with a tailwind aloft. The runway lights on step 1, WX well above minimums and it was tough to get into position to land. I suggest FAA check it out. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information. Reporter indicated he had made a report to his company that the VOR runway 27 approach to swf not be used to minimums feeling that in a medium large transport type aircraft the runway could not be aligned and a safe landing accomplished if the field was not sighted until 1 mi out on the approach from 472' above the field elevation. If the approach was performed perfectly and the runway sighted at one mi a sidestep and turn back to runway alignment would be a dangerous maneuver.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: REPORTER CONSIDERS THE VOR APCH TO SWF AS IMPRACTICAL.
Narrative: VOR APCH TO SWF IS HAZARDOUS UNDER IMC CONDITIONS. IT DEFINITELY APPEARS THAT IF WX WERE AT MINIMUMS 940' MSL, 1 MI VISIBILITY, VDP OF 13.8, ONE WOULD NEED TO BE LEFT OF COURSE AT VDP AND MAKE A FURTHER L TURN FOLLOWED BY A R TURN TO GET INTO POS TO LAND. WE MADE THE APCH AT NIGHT WITH A TAILWIND ALOFT. THE RWY LIGHTS ON STEP 1, WX WELL ABOVE MINIMUMS AND IT WAS TOUGH TO GET INTO POS TO LAND. I SUGGEST FAA CHK IT OUT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO. RPTR INDICATED HE HAD MADE A RPT TO HIS COMPANY THAT THE VOR RWY 27 APCH TO SWF NOT BE USED TO MINIMUMS FEELING THAT IN A MLG TYPE ACFT THE RWY COULD NOT BE ALIGNED AND A SAFE LNDG ACCOMPLISHED IF THE FIELD WAS NOT SIGHTED UNTIL 1 MI OUT ON THE APCH FROM 472' ABOVE THE FIELD ELEVATION. IF THE APCH WAS PERFORMED PERFECTLY AND THE RWY SIGHTED AT ONE MI A SIDESTEP AND TURN BACK TO RWY ALIGNMENT WOULD BE A DANGEROUS MANEUVER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.