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Attributes | |
ACN | 163850 |
Time | |
Date | 199011 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 163850 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Permission was asked for ny approach for a descent into the ny TCA. Because the previous controller (who was also ny approach) did not tell him we were coming, he gave me a tongue lashing about not calling him 30 mi earlier. I had all along been receiving VFR advisories from controllers in radar environment for the previous 300 mi. In an attempt to tell him this he became very indignant and muttered, 'cleared to enter the TCA.' this statement was not very clear, but he immediately told me to turn to a heading of 330 degrees, and descend to and maintain 5000'. At that time I had to assume he had cleared me into the TCA and followed his instructions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: N90 APCH CTLRS APPARENTLY FAILED TO COORDINATE ON INBOUND VFR TRAFFIC.
Narrative: PERMISSION WAS ASKED FOR NY APCH FOR A DSNT INTO THE NY TCA. BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS CTLR (WHO WAS ALSO NY APCH) DID NOT TELL HIM WE WERE COMING, HE GAVE ME A TONGUE LASHING ABOUT NOT CALLING HIM 30 MI EARLIER. I HAD ALL ALONG BEEN RECEIVING VFR ADVISORIES FROM CTLRS IN RADAR ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PREVIOUS 300 MI. IN AN ATTEMPT TO TELL HIM THIS HE BECAME VERY INDIGNANT AND MUTTERED, 'CLRED TO ENTER THE TCA.' THIS STATEMENT WAS NOT VERY CLR, BUT HE IMMEDIATELY TOLD ME TO TURN TO A HDG OF 330 DEGS, AND DSND TO AND MAINTAIN 5000'. AT THAT TIME I HAD TO ASSUME HE HAD CLRED ME INTO THE TCA AND FOLLOWED HIS INSTRUCTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.