<< >> NASA ASRS Report 169837, February 1991

First officer of charter small transport relates 3 incidents where he observed where the PIC used poor judgement and possibly violation federal aviation regulations.

Attributes
ACN	169837
Time
Date	199102
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : cae
State Reference	SC
Altitude	msl bound lower : 23000 msl bound upper : 23000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zjx
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff landing other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 100
ASRS Report	169837
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

After completion of ILS approach with less than minimum RVR and possible investigation, captain confessed aircraft 'may have been' over gross on takeoff, after computations of my own determined we were in fact over gross. I took action to ensure this didn't recur on our return trip. On the way home we encountered higher than forecast winds and several extensive deviations. Approximately 225 mi from destination I questioned the captain as to his intentions re: fuel, as I felt we would come up short. He felt we could make destination with VFR reserves. Approximately 30 mins later we diverted to cae and approximately 20 mins after that, while talking to approach, we declared minimum fuel. My opinion is that the captain used poor judgement on all counts today and I will avoid being scheduled with him again as first officer.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FO OF CHARTER SMT RELATES 3 INCIDENTS WHERE HE OBSERVED WHERE THE PIC USED POOR JUDGEMENT AND POSSIBLY VIOLATION FEDERAL AVIATION REGS.

Narrative: AFTER COMPLETION OF ILS APCH WITH LESS THAN MINIMUM RVR AND POSSIBLE INVESTIGATION, CAPT CONFESSED ACFT 'MAY HAVE BEEN' OVER GROSS ON TKOF, AFTER COMPUTATIONS OF MY OWN DETERMINED WE WERE IN FACT OVER GROSS. I TOOK ACTION TO ENSURE THIS DIDN'T RECUR ON OUR RETURN TRIP. ON THE WAY HOME WE ENCOUNTERED HIGHER THAN FORECAST WINDS AND SEVERAL EXTENSIVE DEVIATIONS. APPROX 225 MI FROM DEST I QUESTIONED THE CAPT AS TO HIS INTENTIONS RE: FUEL, AS I FELT WE WOULD COME UP SHORT. HE FELT WE COULD MAKE DEST WITH VFR RESERVES. APPROX 30 MINS LATER WE DIVERTED TO CAE AND APPROX 20 MINS AFTER THAT, WHILE TALKING TO APCH, WE DECLARED MINIMUM FUEL. MY OPINION IS THAT THE CAPT USED POOR JUDGEMENT ON ALL COUNTS TODAY AND I WILL AVOID BEING SCHEDULED WITH HIM AGAIN AS F/O.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.