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Attributes | |
ACN | 173867 |
Time | |
Date | 199103 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 173867 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After flying a 2 hour leg from the east coast to ord as we approached our gate the captain instructed me not to make a walk around inspection. He felt it would delay us too much and that because we were off loading only passenger (no freight or uploading fuel) it was better for me to stay in the cockpit in 'the loop' than leave and check the exterior of the airplane. I objected, assured him I would not slow up our quick turn time. He reiterated for me to stay in the cockpit and called for me to start the before start checklist. I then complied with his command and then skipped the walk around. After completing the trip I discussed it with captain. His initial explanation was that he is a 'time manager' and it was in the best interests of his judgement that we skip the walk around to keep our ground time to a minimum. I feel/know he was wrong for several reasons. One, our operations manual calls for the captain to personally check the wings for ice during the winter months. (Aircraft in question is a adv medium large transport). This aircraft has notorious wing ice problems. Two, it sacrificed safety, only slightly in that we had no other problems but it could have played a major role in an accident/incident. What concerns me the most was that I could have insisted that we do it (walk around). I did not advocate my position and feelings adequately enough. This is a real lesson in poor cockpit resource management. I will add it to my list of 'never to allow happen again.' I discussed it again later with the captain (several days) he still maintained it was ok however, he did admit he should have checked the wings for ice.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AT CAPT DISCRETION, FO DID NOT MAKE A WALK AROUND INSPECTION ON A THROUGH STOP.
Narrative: AFTER FLYING A 2 HR LEG FROM THE E COAST TO ORD AS WE APCHED OUR GATE THE CAPT INSTRUCTED ME NOT TO MAKE A WALK AROUND INSPECTION. HE FELT IT WOULD DELAY US TOO MUCH AND THAT BECAUSE WE WERE OFF LOADING ONLY PAX (NO FREIGHT OR UPLOADING FUEL) IT WAS BETTER FOR ME TO STAY IN THE COCKPIT IN 'THE LOOP' THAN LEAVE AND CHK THE EXTERIOR OF THE AIRPLANE. I OBJECTED, ASSURED HIM I WOULD NOT SLOW UP OUR QUICK TURN TIME. HE REITERATED FOR ME TO STAY IN THE COCKPIT AND CALLED FOR ME TO START THE BEFORE START CHKLIST. I THEN COMPLIED WITH HIS COMMAND AND THEN SKIPPED THE WALK AROUND. AFTER COMPLETING THE TRIP I DISCUSSED IT WITH CAPT. HIS INITIAL EXPLANATION WAS THAT HE IS A 'TIME MGR' AND IT WAS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF HIS JUDGEMENT THAT WE SKIP THE WALK AROUND TO KEEP OUR GND TIME TO A MINIMUM. I FEEL/KNOW HE WAS WRONG FOR SEVERAL REASONS. ONE, OUR OPS MANUAL CALLS FOR THE CAPT TO PERSONALLY CHK THE WINGS FOR ICE DURING THE WINTER MONTHS. (ACFT IN QUESTION IS A ADV MLG). THIS ACFT HAS NOTORIOUS WING ICE PROBS. TWO, IT SACRIFICED SAFETY, ONLY SLIGHTLY IN THAT WE HAD NO OTHER PROBS BUT IT COULD HAVE PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN AN ACCIDENT/INCIDENT. WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST WAS THAT I COULD HAVE INSISTED THAT WE DO IT (WALK AROUND). I DID NOT ADVOCATE MY POSITION AND FEELINGS ADEQUATELY ENOUGH. THIS IS A REAL LESSON IN POOR COCKPIT RESOURCE MGMNT. I WILL ADD IT TO MY LIST OF 'NEVER TO ALLOW HAPPEN AGAIN.' I DISCUSSED IT AGAIN LATER WITH THE CAPT (SEVERAL DAYS) HE STILL MAINTAINED IT WAS OK HOWEVER, HE DID ADMIT HE SHOULD HAVE CHKED THE WINGS FOR ICE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.